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Old 09-25-2012, 07:55 PM   #1
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Default Building a franchise from the bottom up, who would you want as a coach Riley or Pop?

Say for instance you're granted total control of a franchise. You've already picked up a decent gm, and you're waiting to get players from an expansion draft. However, you're faced with a decision between Greg Popovich and Pat Riley, as a long term head coach who'll be in control of the development of your team over at least the next 10 years. Which coach would you feel more comfortable giving control over your team for this long of a period and why?
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:56 PM   #2
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Default Re: Building a franchise from the bottom up, who would you want as a coach Riley or Pop?

Pop has done more with less. When you have Magic, Kareem, Worthy, and Cooper on your team, it doesn't really take much coaching to win.
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:58 PM   #3
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Pop has done more with less. When you have Magic, Kareem, Worthy, and Cooper on your team, it doesn't really take much coaching to win.
Riley inspires his team more and brings more of a flair to the team.
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:59 PM   #4
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Default Re: Building a franchise from the bottom up, who would you want as a coach Riley or Pop?

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Old 09-25-2012, 08:03 PM   #5
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Riley inspires his team more and brings more of a flair to the team.

True, but Riley's methods led to Magic and the Lakers wanting him fired, and then there were his clashes with other players (particularly Shaq). He wouldn't last as long as Pop with some major stars, I'd imagine. Pop, even though he busts balls, is loved by his players and gets results.
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:05 PM   #6
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Pop is greater than Riley. Much greater.
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:07 PM   #7
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Riley inspires his team more and brings more of a flair to the team.
Rileys hostility isn't suited to today's pampered spoiled players. (Not that POP would have an easy time either) Pat would totally burn out players with his maddening approach to the game and his rigid standards.. Players today dont respond to that oldschool balls to the wall method.. Which is why while being great coaches, guys like Pat Riley and Jerry Sloan have been getting tuned out by teams. Shouldnt be that way but it is.. Players dont let coaches do what they need to do, to drive a team to success.. well modern players...
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:13 PM   #8
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Rileys hostility isn't suited to today's pampered spoiled players. (Not that POP would have an easy time either) Pat would totally burn out players with his maddening approach to the game and his rigid standards.. Players today dont respond to that oldschool balls to the wall method.. Which is why while being great coaches, guys like Pat Riley and Jerry Sloan have been getting tuned out by teams. Shouldnt be that way but it is.. Players dont let coaches do what they need to do, to drive a team to success.. well modern players...
Year they're all spoiled bitches honestly.
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:48 PM   #9
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Pop easily.
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:53 PM   #10
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Pops. As mentioned he does less with more and I think he's a much better at finding talent to begin with.
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:00 PM   #11
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Default Re: Building a franchise from the bottom up, who would you want as a coach Riley or Pop?

Someone please elaborate on this notion that Popovich does more with less?

When Zo got sick, Riley won 50 games with Brian Grant, Eddie Jones, and Anthony Mason as his best players.

The answer to this is easily Riley. Put aside Laker/showtime era success, and let's just talk about the Heat. Riley built the Miami Heat from the ground up. A franchise a few years into expansion, has become a multiple time champion under Riley's watch.

We'll see what Pop is really about once Duncan retires.
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:29 PM   #12
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:30 AM   #13
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Default Re: Building a franchise from the bottom up, who would you want as a coach Riley or Pop?

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Say for instance you're granted total control of a franchise. You've already picked up a decent gm, and you're waiting to get players from an expansion draft. However, you're faced with a decision between Greg Popovich and Pat Riley, as a long term head coach who'll be in control of the development of your team over at least the next 10 years. Which coach would you feel more comfortable giving control over your team for this long of a period and why?

The answer in this scenario is easily Pop because he has proven to "grow and develop" talent - the major example being Tony Parker (since Duncan was NBA-ready almost from the beginning). Parker was a very raw 19 year old, and it's taken him a LONG time and a lot of hard-riding from Pop to become the player he is today. He's also done a very nice job with Kwahi Leonard (if his rookie year is anything to go by), George Hill and Danny Green (this past year).

Even aside from the player development is his people-friendly relationship with everyone - not just the players (with whom he has a "father-son" type relationship). Past SA employees are all over the NBA - Mike Brown in LAL, Jacques Vaughn in ORL, Vinny in LAC, Sam Presti in OKC to name a few. He helps out people because people helped him out on his way up (eg. Larry Brown).

Riley, OTOH, does not cultivate that type of relationship and sometimes rubs the players the wrong way (e.g. harsh practice sessions etc). Pop maximizes their potential, gets the hard work out of them but they're glad to do it for him.
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:36 AM   #14
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Someone please elaborate on this notion that Popovich does more with less?

When Zo got sick, Riley won 50 games with Brian Grant, Eddie Jones, and Anthony Mason as his best players.

The answer to this is easily Riley. Put aside Laker/showtime era success, and let's just talk about the Heat. Riley built the Miami Heat from the ground up. A franchise a few years into expansion, has become a multiple time champion under Riley's watch.

We'll see what Pop is really about once Duncan retires.

I find Pop's championships with Duncan much more impressive than one with Wade/Shaq and another with Lebron/Wade/Bosh, but we'll just disagree on this.
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:40 AM   #15
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Heat fans will pick Riley.

Basketball fans will pick Pop.

I hate the Spurs... and PJax is the only coach I'd ever take of Pop. That's also with a limited time watching the NBA. ~10 years
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