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Old 01-04-2013, 05:09 PM   #706
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Let the trade go through with the condition that brwnman has to keep Nene
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:16 PM   #707
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Everybody should know by now that the key point for keepers is the round they go. And Nene is round 6. From that list of players, IF Nene plays well the second half of the season, he'd be the second best keeper after DRose.
Noah round 3 when DRose is back? no keeper value.
Ryan Anderson is an option, but is playing from the bench
Wall is questionable at round 4.
Asik is a BAD fantasy player in a 9-cat league.
Lawson is playing badly.
Bynum goes in round 3, even if he was dropped and taken from waivers. Too injury prone.
I know that you have an explanation for just about everything, but can you tell me what incentive he would have to acquire more keeper options when he has one less keeper selection. And why right after saying he already has his 3 keepers (currently on his team) and therefore has no reason left to play for the rest of the season he would send you Cousins for Nene?
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I know that you have an explanation for just about everything, but can you tell me what incentive he would have to acquire more keeper options when he has one less keeper selection. And why right after saying he already has his 3 keepers (currently on his team) and therefore has no reason left to play for the rest of the season he would send you Cousins for Nene?
It is too early in the season to know who your keepers will be. It is a better option to have more than 4 candidates
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:47 PM   #709
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It is too early in the season to know who your keepers will be. It is a better option to have more than 4 candidates
The question was, after just saying he has his 3 keepers already, AND that Cousins was not one of them (meaning 3 guys who are still on his roster right now) what reason would he then have to trade him to you for Nene? I think pretty much nobody but you and him (the two guys involved in making the trade) would try to make a legit argument that there aren't 3 guys on his roster more worthy of a draft spot than Nene (and YES, with round values taken into account). And even if you could (it's a MAJOR reach), being that Cousins is a top 3 center and that Centers are the most desired position, i'm willing to guess that anyone in the league with the intention of winning this season would've made a play for him and probably given up more to get him if the opportunity presented itself. Someone who is not playing to win wouldn't have reason to jump at an offer like that as you said this early into the season.
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being that Cousins is a top 3 center and that Centers are the most desired position, i'm willing to guess that anyone in the league with the intention of winning this season would've made a play for him and probably given up more to get him if the opportunity presented itself.
To be honest, I would have given another potential keeper along Nene. For example Nene and Shved or Nene and Splitter. But maybe Nene is the player Brwnman was interested in
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To be honest, I would have given another potential keeper along Nene. For example Nene and Shved or Nene and Splitter. But maybe Nene is the player Brwnman was interested in
I figured that he offered the trade to you and not the other way around, but I doubted you'd admit that so I wasn't even gonna ask. And i'm guessing you had to take a couple of quick glances at it to make sure you were seeing it right before hitting that accept button.
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I figured that he offered the trade to you and not the other way around, but I doubted you'd admit that so I wasn't even gonna ask. And i'm guessing you had to take a couple of quick glances at it to make sure you were seeing it right before hitting that accept button.
Nah, I checked Cousins wasn't injured, but I do it in every trade.

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Come on, guys. Can we finish this sham? I can win this league without this trade!!!
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:10 PM   #713
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Come on, guys. Can we finish this sham? I can win this league without this trade!!!

Enough said. If FC is fine with it, then the trade should be vetoed.

I'd like to hear more from brwnman...
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Enough said. If FC is fine with it, then the trade should be vetoed.

I'd like to hear more from brwnman...
What more could he say? His claim is that he wasn't gonna keep Cousins anyways and that because he's not gonna get to keep 4 players his goal is not to stockpile keeper options and take keeper options away from other players. But he has plenty of keeper options that are better than Nene, he could've gotten a better player (or players) elsewhere and even FC himself just said he was willing to send another player along with Nene for Cousins. And he makes the trade after more or less threatening to make moves just to make moves. Is there something else i'm not seeing? Also, if you know you aren't gonna win that season and that the number of keepers you're gonna get is gonna be reduced by one wouldn't want to get BETTER keepers instead of MORE keepers since you can't keep them anyways?
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What more could he say? His claim is that he wasn't gonna keep Cousins anyways and that because he's not gonna get to keep 4 players his goal is not to stockpile keeper options and take keeper options away from other players. But he has plenty of keeper options that are better than Nene, he could've gotten a better player (or players) elsewhere and even FC himself just said he was willing to send another player along with Nene for Cousins. And he makes the trade after more or less threatening to make moves just to make moves. Is there something else i'm not seeing? Also, if you know you aren't gonna win that season and that the number of keepers you're gonna get is gonna be reduced by one wouldn't want to get BETTER keepers instead of MORE keepers since you can't keep them anyways?

Truth is, I respect brwnman as a poster...and maybe I'm being a bit short sighted here. But I'd like to think he had a reason to make that move (besides spite). And if he truly did make that move out of anger (or whatever) maybe he regrets it?..not sure

Hence...I'd like to hear more from brwnman.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:02 PM   #716
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Unrelated to all of this, I don't want anyone throwing in the towel 30 games into the season. We should all be trying to improve and get to the top. Whatever got you to where you are in the standings can be changed and lots of the categories are very close. This is why I think this should be a money league. Even if it is $10 or $20 per person. You can do things like top 3 get money and even the most improved (mid season to end). But that's probably for another discussion.

Trades only made for keeper purposes shouldn't be done, in my opinion, 30 games into a season. Not that this was a keeper trade.

Obviously I'm in agreement with bokes here. Reducing keepers should mean you want to improve them, not water them down. If keepers are the goal, make a post saying Cousins is for sale for the best keeper. Only because Toni's mentioned it, but Waiters in the 13th round I'd by as a keeper deal for Cousins. Still wouldn't like it becasue we are only 30 games in and nobody should be in quit mode.

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With moves like this, i'd NEVER put money into this league. Other leagues, maybe. This one, hell no. There are just way to many variables that have an effect. Rule changes, attitudes of various posters which I won't name, and I think a major divide in skill level from top to bottom and certain people that really prey on making unbalanced trades with those people.
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Unrelated to all of this, I don't want anyone throwing in the towel 30 games into the season. We should all be trying to improve and get to the top. Whatever got you to where you are in the standings can be changed and lots of the categories are very close. This is why I think this should be a money league. Even if it is $10 or $20 per person. You can do things like top 3 get money and even the most improved (mid season to end). But that's probably for another discussion..

Quite honestly I don't see the need to make this a 'money league'. Too many complications. And really do you need to 100 or so bucks you'd make from the league? I don't see why it's necessary. The league is already very active and competitive (without money). Bringing in a money league may turn off some managers....

Plus, you winning the league almost every year doesn't bode well for your motivation for the change.
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With moves like this, i'd NEVER put money into this league. Other leagues, maybe. This one, hell no. There are just way to many variables that have an effect. Rule changes, attitudes of various posters which I won't name, and I think a major divide in skill level from top to bottom and certain people that really prey on making unbalanced trades with those people.

Also good points.
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I guess I am just looking for ways we don't have people bailing on the season after 30 games. But maybe the majority aren't which is great!
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