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Old 10-05-2012, 01:30 PM   #16
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I've given up making arguments for deserving players.

There's no point trying to convince people.

Instead, we'll probably see TMac get voted in ahead of Pete Maravich, Hal Greer, Jerry Lucas, Dave DeBusschere, Dennis Johnson, etc.

What a joke.

How are Hal Greer and Dennis Johnson jokes in comparison to guys like Maravich and/or Miller ?

McGrady does have the greatest peak, but I don't that warrants him over Maravich and Miller either. I'm not even arguing forwards or centers vs guards, but it's not a joke to have Greer or Johnson considered over Maravich and/or Miller.
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:32 PM   #17
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The people who don't think Durant deserved that #56 spot are probably the same people that didn't think Shaq deserved that top 50 spot in 1997.

Kblaze already pointed it out, it's stupid that someone like Dwight will be ranked higher in like 3 years even if nothing happens.
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:45 PM   #18
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:45 PM   #19
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How are Hal Greer and Dennis Johnson jokes in comparison to guys like Maravich and/or Miller ?

McGrady does have the greatest peak, but I don't that warrants him over Maravich and Miller either. I'm not even arguing forwards or centers vs guards, but it's not a joke to have Greer or Johnson considered over Maravich and/or Miller.
McGrady should easily be above Maravich. I wrote an essay some years ago about it ...
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:46 PM   #20
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McGrady should easily be above Maravich. I wrote an essay some years ago about it ...

I wouldn't argue against that either, but I'm saying my Pete could be over is because he played longer... similar to Reggie.
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The people who don't think Durant deserved that #56 spot are probably the same people that didn't think Shaq deserved that top 50 spot in 1997.

Kblaze already pointed it out, it's stupid that someone like Dwight will be ranked higher in like 3 years even if nothing happens.
If dwight retired tonite, he wouldn't be higher in 3 years.
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Old 10-05-2012, 02:02 PM   #22
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How are Hal Greer and Dennis Johnson jokes in comparison to guys like Maravich and/or Miller ?

Erm, what?

1) What has Reggie Miller got to do with this? I didn't even mention him.

2) I voted for Maravich and my next few votes would go to players like Greer and Johnson. They're not a joke compared to Maravich or Miller. They're all great players.

What the hell are you on about?
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Erm, what?

1) What has Reggie Miller got to do with this? I didn't even mention him.

2) I voted for Maravich and my next few votes would go to players like Greer and Johnson. They're not a joke compared to Maravich or Miller. They're all great players.

What the hell are you on about?

Oh wow, completely read your post wrong, my bad.

@ me.
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Old 10-05-2012, 02:30 PM   #24
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I'm actually voting for Jerry Lucas this time.
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Old 10-05-2012, 02:37 PM   #25
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Kblaze already pointed it out, it's stupid that someone like Dwight will be ranked higher in like 3 years even if nothing happens.

3 more years is 3 more years. It's not stupid at all. Even if Howard does nothing but decline from here on out, he's still improving his standing overall by continuing to improve his team's chances of winning - assuming that he doesn't become a net negative.

If we truly want to rank the "best" players of all time, we should be ranking them by who gives their team - on average - the best chance of winning over a given time frame. In that sense, eleven years of Dwight Howard will almost always be better than eight years of Dwight Howard over an eleven year period- even if those last three years aren't up to par.

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Old 10-05-2012, 04:00 PM   #26
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Dang Ray Allen and Durant over Reggie Miller? Oh my. I can't rate any of them this high yet. I gotta vote Tiny Archibald at #57.
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Old 10-05-2012, 04:03 PM   #27
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I'm actually voting for Jerry Lucas this time.

Now it is getting really tough to pick players. I thought that the great Jerry Lucas would have been a little bit higher on the list. Some of the all-time greats, I feel, are going to be forgotten.
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Old 10-05-2012, 04:24 PM   #28
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I think it's a bit early for Durant, and I disagree with the if he did nothing in 3 years, he will be ranked higher.

-If Durant gets injured every season now and plays like a role player only every season out.. would he still be ranked this high? No, he'd dropped out very slowly. Therefore ranking him this high now is premature.

-same reason that if this poll took place 10 years ago, T-mac would have been voted in top 50, but now he's not.

-the years do make a difference. if dwight "didn't do anything", as in he kept up his standards, then that is definitely a plus for him- consistency and longevity. If he didn't keep up, then he SHOULD drop.

-there's a reason why we don't put current active players up so early, because we haven't seen everything yet. Their careers might spiral down at any moment. Just because they are top 30 now, does that mean they will always be there? No, if they start playing badly, they will DROP. And if they CAN drop, then it's too early to put them up that high.
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Old 10-05-2012, 04:55 PM   #29
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If dwight retired tonite, he wouldn't be higher in 3 years.
Actually, he would probably would. People forever reason like to overrate the past players and when we look back in retrospect.

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3 more years is 3 more years. It's not stupid at all. Even if Howard does nothing but decline from here on out, he's still improving his standing overall by continuing to improve his team's chances of winning - assuming that he doesn't become a net negative.

If we truly want to rank the "best" players of all time, we should be ranking them by who gives their team - on average - the best chance of winning over a given time frame. In that sense, eleven years of Dwight Howard will almost always be better than eight years of Dwight Howard over an eleven year period- even if those last three years aren't up to par.
I understand this logic but someone like Dwight, Durant, CP3, etc. they do give you a better chance to win a certain amount of titles than some of the players listed.
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Old 10-05-2012, 04:57 PM   #30
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People who vote Maravich know nothing about the game of basketball.
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