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Old 10-08-2012, 05:00 PM   #106
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I thought they did a no-call on it because Chandler was in position and LeBron didn't get help to let him know he was there. LeBron's fault, LeBron's flop.


No. The original call was a Flagrant 2, with Tyson ejected from the game. Then they replayed it, and realized how much Lebron flopped, and took it down to a Flagrant 1.

At worst it should have been a regular foul, but in actuality it should have been a no call. Tyson wasn't moving, so you can't call moving pick. Lebron acted like he got shot with a 44 magnum, and the refs bought. That's specifically what the video is saying will be penalized from now on.
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No. The original call was a Flagrant 2, with Tyson ejected from the game. Then they replayed it, and realized how much Lebron flopped, and took it down to a Flagrant 1.

At worst it should have been a regular foul, but in actuality it should have been a no call. Tyson wasn't moving, so you can't call moving pick. Lebron acted like he got shot with a 44 magnum, and the refs bought. That's specifically what the video is saying will be penalized from now on.

What the hell are you talking about that Chandler isn't moving? He's moving forward the whole time. Not only it is a moving pick, it's also a hit. LeBron probably embellished the contact a little but you can bet his neck was hurting.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:17 PM   #108
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:18 PM   #109
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What the hell are you talking about that Chandler isn't moving? He's moving forward the whole time. Not only it is a moving pick, it's also a hit. LeBron probably embellished the contact a little but you can bet his neck was hurting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zYBgMzX7V4

Watch it again, and watch JVG go off with "what kind of league are we becoming".


That's not a moving pick either. He wasn't shuffling around for position.
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While I would agree that flopping had gotten carried away, I'm a little worried about how this new policy is going to be enforced. There is already so much subjectivity present in the officiating. It's one thing to clearly see a flop after watching a video replayed from multiple angles. It's another to try and catch it in real time.
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:22 PM   #111
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Please... Do you really think so?

Ever actually played sport?
Boxing out, screens etc you will cop a hit.. That was a small one on Lebron, and he flopped hard after it for the call..
Why defend it so hard??
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Old 10-08-2012, 05:27 PM   #112
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While I would agree that flopping had gotten carried away, I'm a little worried about how this new policy is going to be enforced. There is already so much subjectivity present in the officiating. It's one thing to clearly see a flop after watching a video replayed from multiple angles. It's another to try and catch it in real time.
They aren't going to do it in real time. From my understanding it's going to be fines issued after games from replays.

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Old 10-08-2012, 06:09 PM   #113
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They aren't going to do it in real time. From my understanding it's going to be fines issued after games from replays.
And hopefully the NBA should publicly release those fines (no reason they shouldn't) and the biggest pundits be ridiculed is social media.

Seriously, that and Stephen Jackson might be the only thing good to come out of twitterverse from the NBA
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:52 PM   #114
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I love that they are trying to reduce flopping, but there is a lot of gray area in those interpretations.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:57 PM   #115
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zYBgMzX7V4

Watch it again, and watch JVG go off with "what kind of league are we becoming".


That's not a moving pick either. He wasn't shuffling around for position.

Since when are JVG's opinions respectable? They're ludicrous most of the time, actually.

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Ever actually played sport?
Boxing out, screens etc you will cop a hit.. That was a small one on Lebron, and he flopped hard after it for the call..
Why defend it so hard??

Actually, my whole life.
I'm just trying to say that this situation shouldn't be put in the video as an example of flopping, as you all suggest. There's no question it was a foul on Chandler and Lebron kind of exaggerated, but as explained in the vid, flopping only occurs when a player is trying to fake contact and trick the officials into calling a foul that didn't happen. But when the foul really takes place and the fouled player exaggerates the contact, it's not considered a flop by the league.

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Old 10-08-2012, 07:16 PM   #116
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Since when are JVG's opinions respectable? They're ludicrous most of the time, actually.



Actually, my whole life.
I'm just trying to say that this situation shouldn't be put in the video as an example of flopping, as you all suggest. There's no question it was a foul on Chandler and Lebron kind of exaggerated, but as explained in the vid, flopping only occurs when a player is trying to fake contact and trick the officials into calling a foul that didn't happen. But when the foul really takes place and the fouled player exaggerates the contact, it's not considered a flop by the league.


Sorry. it was a terrible flop. He takes the contact from Chandler, and then decides to put on his show. Guys in the post bump each other harder than that constantly.. it's called maintaining/fighting for position. I absolutely hate that people have stooped to "selling contact" rather than just fighting to play good defense. so sad.
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:26 PM   #117
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More flop gifs MOAR
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Old 10-08-2012, 07:40 PM   #118
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Sorry. it was a terrible flop. He takes the contact from Chandler, and then decides to put on his show. Guys in the post bump each other harder than that constantly.. it's called maintaining/fighting for position. I absolutely hate that people have stooped to "selling contact" rather than just fighting to play good defense. so sad.

Don't you really see the difference between a situation when 2 players are engaged in a physical battle for position in the post and a situation when a player is running and suddenly takes a hard, UNEXPECTED hit from behind to his neck, with an elbow/forearm/whatever it was and is then grounded by the rest of Chandler's body? Sure, LBJ is strong as phuck but every human is extremely vulnerable to such hits when they don't expect it.
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Don't you really see the difference between a situation when 2 players are engaged in a physical battle for position in the post and a situation when a player is running and suddenly takes a hard, UNEXPECTED hit from behind to his neck, with an elbow/forearm/whatever it was and is then grounded by the rest of Chandler's body? Sure, LBJ is strong as phuck but every human is extremely vulnerable to such hits when they don't expect it.
No bra. Even if there was legit contact, lebron tried to sell more than it really was. If it was a foul or not from tyson is another question, but this is really a lebron flop.

About time really
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I love that they are trying to reduce flopping, but there is a lot of gray area in those interpretations.

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