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Old 10-15-2012, 02:03 AM   #1
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Are the same nutrients from different sources the same thing? For example is 450 mg of potassium from a banana the same as 450 mg of potassium from two bags of funnyuns?
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Default Re: Nutrition Question

Yes. But you take all the other bad shit in that you don't take in from a banana.

You could get your protein after a workout from Burger King burgers. That doesn't mean you're going to get buff with all the other garbage in their food.
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Thanks for the insight. Of course I didn't actually think eating two bags of chips is the same as a banana.
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The two major factors I can think up of, at t his moment, are
- availability of nutrient through its form
- and any other inhibitory ingredients within the food.

Otherwise they'd be the same.

Intuition would tell you that the potassium from a fruit



One of the reasons whole grains are criticized for is because they possess phytates which are "anti-nutirents'

Calcium and zinc don't cooperate
Copper and zinc don't cooperate
B vitamins require water to work
A/K/D need FAT to work
Trypsin (something in raw sweet potatoes) inhibit protein digestion

etc.

so if the funnyuns had an ingredient that were an antagonist to K than it wouldn't be so grand.

Also, most multivitamins are useless because the
i.e.
cyanocobalmain (very very inefficient source of B12) vs (methylcobalamin) a highly potent one in the more expensive quality multis.
Zinc oxide/magnesium oxide vs. chelated zinc/chelated magensium.
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The two major factors I can think up of, at t his moment, are
- availability of nutrient through its form
- and any other inhibitory ingredients within the food.

Otherwise they'd be the same.

Intuition would tell you that the potassium from a fruit



One of the reasons whole grains are criticized for is because they possess phytates which are "anti-nutirents'

Calcium and zinc don't cooperate
Copper and zinc don't cooperate
B vitamins require water to work
A/K/D need FAT to work
Trypsin (something in raw sweet potatoes) inhibit protein digestion

etc.

so if the funnyuns had an ingredient that were an antagonist to K than it wouldn't be so grand.

Also, most multivitamins are useless because the
i.e.
cyanocobalmain (very very inefficient source of B12) vs (methylcobalamin) a highly potent one in the more expensive quality multis.
Zinc oxide/magnesium oxide vs. chelated zinc/chelated magensium.


What do you think about IIFYM diet?
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What do you think about IIFYM diet?

Body Composition. Works.
General Health. Sure.
Optimal Health. No. That's where you want to avoid HFCS, poly unsaturated oils, excessive dairy..etc.

If you want to be ripped, by all means, proceed.
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Body Composition. Works.
General Health. Sure.
Optimal Health. No. That's where you want to avoid HFCS, poly unsaturated oils, excessive dairy..etc.

If you want to be ripped, by all means, proceed.


What do you think about excessive fear of carbohydrates nowadays when it comes to active fitness population? And recommending excessive quantity of protein per day when we know that proteins which body doesn't need are transormed into glucose(which can be also obtained from much cheaper carbs sources)?
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What do you think about excessive fear of carbohydrates nowadays when it comes to active fitness population? And recommending excessive quantity of protein per day when we know that proteins which body doesn't need are transormed into glucose(which can be also obtained from much cheaper carbs sources)?

Dude.

Not gonna lie.

I honestly don't know.

I'll just put out a few things I know and you can come to conclusions.

Too much protein does eventually take a toll on the body. And seeing as how most of it is consumed from flesh that is not raised in the best way possible.. it gets. By all means, eat all the wild fish, wild game, cage-free eggs, grass-fed beef you can, but understand that when grown... there are issues especally in fattier cuts. Protein also happens to be the most expensive and thermogenic macro, meaning that it has the most heat releasing properties.

If you eat too many carbs you put yourself at a risk for increased blood sugar, lipolysis, insulin resistance, and in other words GETTING FAT.

If you eat too many fats, same thing. But most people do NOT eat enough monounsaturated (oliev oil, avocado, macadmia nut), staurated (coconut oil, egg yolks), and omega 3's. And likewise, WAYY the f*Ck too many polyunsaturated.


Form my personal anecdote. I was MOST shredded when eating 200 grams protein, 150 grams carbs, and 125 grams fat while doing the same workout. Abs on abs.

I had THE MOST INTENSE workouts when knocking down 300-400 grams carbs+ and had the most growth during that period. Perhaps its because most of my ancestors consumed rice.

There are people form agrarian cultures like an IRanian guy I know who eats 600-700 grams of carbs a day and stays at 7% BF... wtf....

And likewise there are people who will be extremely extremely prone to type ii diabetes, reduced insulin sensitivity and the works.

Oh, and eating fat directly relates to feeling good. The lower the worse, the higher the better :)

I reocmmend you start by going on Dr. Mercola's site, and pinpointing your diet type. Whether you work better with carb and fat.

Afterwards tell me how you feel after etaing meat and stuff?

Anywho
40/40/20 is the recommended bodybuilding split.

but people have also succeeded eating a lootttt lesss protein.

Try this on for size I assume you're about 150-160 lbs (correct me if wrong)
Work-out days
300 carb
200 prot
25 fat

Rest days
100 carb
175 protein
100 fat

tell me if it works or not You seem like a smart guy so read up on
Lyle mcdonald
alan aragon
thermogenesis
basic biochem
paleo/atkins/ornish/mediternanean/macrobiotic/okinawa/anabolic diet
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