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Old 10-17-2012, 11:09 PM   #16
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Default Re: How many titles do the Shaq Lakers win with Ray Allen instead of Kobe?

It's not that amazing that Ray could win rings with Shaq....

I think what's amazing is putting Kobe on those Bull's teams and he wins 8 in a row because Kobe doesn't like baseball.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:19 PM   #17
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Default Re: How many titles do the Shaq Lakers win with Ray Allen instead of Kobe?

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2, possibly 3.

It seems like people forgot how much flat out more talent those Lakers teams had over everyone else. It wasn't just the Kobe-Shaq show, it was the case in 2004, and they got killed by Detroit.

How much other talent did the Lakers have in 2001, 2002, and 2003?

Lakers had more talent over everyone else because and only because of Shaq and Kobe. Suggesting those teams were anything comparable to "deep" or talented outside of those two is revisionist behavior.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:35 PM   #18
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Default Re: How many titles do the Shaq Lakers win with Ray Allen instead of Kobe?

The real question is.. Can Ray Allen carry Shaq? I doubt it..
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:50 PM   #19
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Default Re: How many titles do the Shaq Lakers win with Ray Allen instead of Kobe?

Don't forget they never break up due to chemistry issues cause its pretty obvious who's boss
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:54 PM   #20
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Default Re: How many titles do the Shaq Lakers win with Ray Allen instead of Kobe?

they don't win in 00 or 02. they win 04.

so 2?
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Default Re: How many titles do the Shaq Lakers win with Ray Allen instead of Kobe?

People are underrating Ray. Dude was a monster in his prime. A scoring machine.
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:13 AM   #22
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Default Re: How many titles do the Shaq Lakers win with Ray Allen instead of Kobe?

One..MAYBE two. I'd say the first two years of the 3-peat, Ray would have his best shot.
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:14 AM   #23
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At least 2.
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:22 AM   #24
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Default Re: How many titles do the Shaq Lakers win with Ray Allen instead of Kobe?

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People are underrating Ray. Dude was a monster in his prime. A scoring machine.

yea ppl seem to forget that a lot

with that being said I'll say about 2-4...ray probably gets 2 during the 3 peat yrs and one in 04 since I don't think their egos would clash and in 05 is a possibility as well... that was rays best yr as an all around performer (If you watched the sonics in 05 you would know what I mean) theres no doubt that kobe is the best 2 guard of this era...but shaq was so dominant if you put any of the elite 2 guards with him during his prime they would have at least won a chip

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Old 10-18-2012, 12:38 AM   #25
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Default Re: How many titles do the Shaq Lakers win with Ray Allen instead of Kobe?

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4-6.

He compliments Shaq better offensively, and the Lakers most likely keep Eddie Jones who was a defensive stalwart in his own right. Shaq-Ray Allen-Eddie Jones would be one of the best trios ever and they may even win some rings in the late 90s when Kobe was still developing and had an awful outside shot. Ray is the best shooter in NBA History.

Then in 2004 they would win the ring as well since Kobe cost the Lakers the series with his shot jacking and desire for Finals MVP over another Ring.

They win all of the 00-02 rings with Peak Shaq too, the best player to ever play the game. I'll give them 00-02, 2004, possibly 2005 since Shaq was still the games best player and Ray Allen had probably his best individual year. Possibly even a 90s title too since those late 90s Lakers were VERY talented, but always underperformed. Ray would probably help that team get to the next level.

One of the dumbest posts by a bandwagon Lebron fan I've ever read on here, next to 32dayz and that's game claiming fans know more about basketball than players and coaches. Or pauk blaming Wade for the Heat's 2011 Finals loss. The flat out idiocy in the quote above, proves that the whole "slap ANYBODY in Kobe's spot on the Lakers with Shaq and they STILL win theory," is, has been, and always will be just that....a pathetic hater theory. Eddies Jones is a "defensive stalwart"....huh?


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Old 10-18-2012, 12:49 AM   #26
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Default Re: How many titles do the Shaq Lakers win with Ray Allen instead of Kobe?

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2, possibly 3.

It seems like people forgot how much flat out more talent those Lakers teams had over everyone else. It wasn't just the Kobe-Shaq show, it was the case in 2004, and they got killed by Detroit.

Yeah, ummm after Shaq and Kobe, the 3-peat Lakers weren't nearly as deep and talented as the other contenders. Similar to 2009 and 2010 when the Kobe/Gasol Lakers won back-to-back. They had the best 1-2 combo by a pretty sizable margin, but their 3-8/9 wasn't as good as the other contenders.

Not saying the other guys on the 3-peat Lakers weren't good, but they really weren't that "stacked" after Shaq and Kobe.
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Yeah, ummm after Shaq and Kobe, the 3-peat Lakers weren't nearly as deep and talented as the other contenders. Similar to 2009 and 2010 when the Kobe/Gasol Lakers won back-to-back. They had the best 1-2 combo by a pretty sizable margin, but their 3-8/9 wasn't as good as the other contenders.

Not saying the other guys on the 3-peat Lakers weren't good, but they really weren't that "stacked" after Shaq and Kobe.
They have very good role players and they were key to the success.

The only team that was more deep/stacked than them was the Kings and they were the biggest chokers ever.

Spurs were never as good as the Lakers until like 2004 when the Lakers actually won. People seem to forget that Duncan's supporting cast from 2000-2004 was pretty weak, 2000-2002 especially.
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They have very good role players and they were key to the success.

The only team that was more deep/stacked than them was the Kings and they were the biggest chokers ever.

Spurs were never as good as the Lakers until like 2004 when the Lakers actually won. People seem to forget that Duncan's supporting cast from 2000-2004 was pretty weak, 2000-2002 especially.
00 Blazers were deeper
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Default Re: How many titles do the Shaq Lakers win with Ray Allen instead of Kobe?

Maybe 1 based on Shaqs dominance.

BTW...triangle wouldn't work if you switch ray and kobe.
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They have very good role players and they were key to the success.

The only team that was more deep/stacked than them was the Kings and they were the biggest chokers ever.

Spurs were never as good as the Lakers until like 2004 when the Lakers actually won. People seem to forget that Duncan's supporting cast from 2000-2004 was pretty weak, 2000-2002 especially.

And the same could be said about Duncan's supporting cast/role players or any group of role players on any championship team. Miami's supporting cast was pretty much garbage through the ECF, then they get to the Finals, turn it on, and guys like Battier, Miller, Chalmers, and Haslem play better as a group then they did in any other round.

Take Kobe off the 2000-2002 Lakers and look at their roster. Some solid, slightly past their prime role players, and some pretty "meh" type players. Players who, when you see the name, you think "nice player" but, when you look at where they were in their respective careers...not so much.

The Blazers are another team that had more depth. And I agree with you about Duncan's Spurs even through the 2003 championship. Parker was 20 years old and in his second season, Manu was a rookie (albeit 25) and not quite 6th Man Extraordinaire Man yet, and Robinson was 37.

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