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Old 10-18-2012, 10:05 AM   #16
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Default Re: Is it possible for someone to pass up Bill Russell's 11 rings?

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Maybe not, but let me offer you another alternative universe: Russell doesn't get injured in 1958 and Red Auerbach doesn't retire in 1966.

13 for 13.

Bill would be unanimous GOAT forever, man.
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:14 PM   #17
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Default Re: Is it possible for someone to pass up Bill Russell's 11 rings?

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13 for 13.

Bill would be unanimous GOAT forever, man.
Because?

How much better do you think Auerbach makes Boston. Philly won 8 more games that year (then bested Boston 4-1 in the playoffs, losing by 4, winning by 5, 11, 14 and 24). Boston were better than the year before because of adding Howell. But Philly would surely remain favourites.
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:22 PM   #18
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13 for 13.

Bill would be unanimous GOAT forever, man.

If he isn't the "unanimous GOAT" now going 11 for 13, which no other superstar has even approached, I fail to see why he would be if he had won the two he didn't win in '58 and '67. Modern fans would make the same disparging comments they do now, and he would still be discounted because he played in an earlier era, one which they have no emotional investment in as they do the current era.
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:37 PM   #19
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Default Re: Is it possible for someone to pass up Bill Russell's 11 rings?

No, but in the next 50 years, who knows.
There has to be someone even better than MJ, Shaq-ish dominance, who happens to have a great team from the start.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:28 PM   #21
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Default Re: Is it possible for someone to pass up Bill Russell's 11 rings?

You do know there were only 8 (before 1961) or 9 (after 1961) teams during Bill Russell's time right?

So as far as I'm concerned, Jordan's 6 titles, which meant he lead his teams to be number 1 out of 28, is more impressive than what Russell did.



If you do not agree, I'm forming this fantasy basketball league. It's a $100 buy-in. It consists of 28 teams, but if you win, you will only make $900 (which is what you would expect to make for winning a 9 team league). The other $1,900 is going to be kept by me, because i like money.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:32 PM   #22
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Because?

How much better do you think Auerbach makes Boston. Philly won 8 more games that year (then bested Boston 4-1 in the playoffs, losing by 4, winning by 5, 11, 14 and 24). Boston were better than the year before because of adding Howell. But Philly would surely remain favourites.

Are you kidding me ?

Russell already has more than enough done in his resume to be considered the GOAT, now add a 13 peat and the majority of those title years as the best player ?

How can he not be considered unanimous GOAT ? Russell made that team click for those titles.

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If he isn't the "unanimous GOAT" now going 11 for 13, which no other superstar has even approached, I fail to see why he would be if he had won the two he didn't win in '58 and '67. Modern fans would make the same disparging comments they do now, and he would still be discounted because he played in an earlier era, one which they have no emotional investment in as they do the current era.

I agree, perhaps that's just more irrefutable because he went perfect to a 13 peat, but you will probably still get the "it was a weak era/no offense" statements.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:37 PM   #23
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Default Re: Is it possible for someone to pass up Bill Russell's 11 rings?

You would have to start winning titles pretty much from day 1. You would also have to join a team with an FO like the Spurs or Lakers. And you also would have to be extremely lucky.
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:40 PM   #24
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Default Re: Is it possible for someone to pass up Bill Russell's 11 rings?

I wouldn't say out right impossible but the window of someone getting 11 rings plus as a player is a very very very tight window of possibility.
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Old 10-18-2012, 06:47 PM   #25
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Default Re: Is it possible for someone to pass up Bill Russell's 11 rings?

Phil Jackson already has
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Default Re: Is it possible for someone to pass up Bill Russell's 11 rings?

no just the regular season will take its toll on players and how much more for the playoff back then in just like less than 50 games you are an nba champ already ...

so no ... if teams get reduced to like 10 teams then yes
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Teams were also way more stacked back then so it evens out. Anyway, no one is ever going to touch this record unless a superteam is assembled with an absolutely monster big. Think modern day Wilt but with the leadership of a Duncan or Russell. It would literally take someone who is that good AND ALSO having a stacked team. Just won't happen.
no it doesn't
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Phil Jackson already has

Russell won all 11 of his rings on the court playing ball.

Jackson won all of 1 title on the court playing ball.
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Russell won all 11 of his rings on the court playing ball.

Jackson won all of 1 title on the court playing ball.

Even if you include coaching championships, Russell has more.
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Default Re: Is it possible for someone to pass up Bill Russell's 11 rings?

Maybe they should have given Russell 2 rings for 1968 and 1969, one for Russell the player, one for Russell the coach.
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