Originally Posted by Owl
Read the fricking post. I questioned why Auerbach coaching automatically automatically gives Boston the ring in '67 and instead of an explanation you come out arguing how great Russell is. That wasn't what I was talking about.
I'll admit, that was a jackass response. My bad, I should have read your post more properly.
Why would it not give them the ring, in your opinion ?
I'm going off facts that they won 8 years in a row and 9 in 10 years... Red stays, I don't see why they don't win another one, unless the Sixers were just THAT much on a mission that year.
With Red going and Russell having to coach, that probably wasn't in their comfort zone for him coaching and playing... until a year later. (I'm just going of psychology here...)
That said, I wouldn't say "If Russell had .... extra rings" makes him GOAT (or any other player with any other stipulation of rings) because it makes no statement as to the players impact on achieving those titles. Elgin Baylor got a ring in '72. But implicit in your suggestion that adding titles necessarily, arbitrarily and without context does mean a players career is better than it was in than in an alternate version of history in which a different outcome occurred, is the suggestion that individual performance doesn't matter at all.
From what I heard Russell played well versus the 76ers in '67. Yet by any "more titles always equals better player" reckoning, if Russell played worse but happened to win, he would be better.
I wouldn't say Rings make you the GOAT automatically... but in that type of dominance ? A 13 peat ? And you are clearly the main reason for that type of dominance, getting to the finals, being the best player on that, being the most clutch, etc... He would have had the perfect basketball resume and embodies everything of the team concept of basketball: playing un selfish, putting team views ahead of individual goals, remarkable consistency.
I would also not just arbitrary rings, but even the awards didn't exist back then like Defensive Player of the Year and Finals MVP... how much more better does Russell's resume look for a unanimous GOAT candidate ? I'd say that's pretty strong. All hypothetical.