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Old 10-23-2012, 07:45 AM   #1
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Default What's the reason for today's fixation on stats?

Nowadays we have all the tools we'd need to enjoy the game of basketball. We can watch/re-watch a game anytime we want. In any quality we'd like.

People all over the world can watch the game. And now, more than during any era in NBA history, people are totally focused on stats. They'll find a way to make the Heat a top 3 championship team. Ever.

They'll bring up nifty stats and crunch numbers to show why Bron is a better PF than, let's say, Dirk. People will pull out boxscores to show Brandon Jennings had a great season and was a top 10 PG.

Not wanting to sound like an old nagger, but I remember when we watched games, and could talk about how great a team or player played, we could use what we saw in the game, during a season, to discuss which team was doing better, or had a better chance to win the championship or even series.

We hardly discussed which player deserved to be a top 5 defensive player or which shooting guard had the best post up game.


When did this start? Why are we doing this? Is it because of the internet? Is it because everybody can have an opinion without being held accountable for it?
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:47 AM   #2
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Hollinger Generation.
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:48 AM   #3
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When ESPN is ranking guys based on Hollinger's bullshit voodoo math. No wonder the fans are dumb.
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:50 AM   #5
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:56 AM   #6
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Nowadays we have all the tools we'd need to enjoy the game of basketball. We can watch/re-watch a game anytime we want. In any quality we'd like.

People all over the world can watch the game. And now, more than during any era in NBA history, people are totally focused on stats. They'll find a way to make the Heat a top 3 championship team. Ever.

They'll bring up nifty stats and crunch numbers to show why Bron is a better PF than, let's say, Dirk. People will pull out boxscores to show Brandon Jennings had a great season and was a top 10 PG.

Not wanting to sound like an old nagger, but I remember when we watched games, and could talk about how great a team or player played, we could use what we saw in the game, during a season, to discuss which team was doing better, or had a better chance to win the championship or even series.

We hardly discussed which player deserved to be a top 5 defensive player or which shooting guard had the best post up game.


When did this start? Why are we doing this? Is it because of the internet? Is it because everybody can have an opinion without being held accountable for it?

The birth of fantasy leagues as my guess.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:04 AM   #7
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It's much much easier to get all sorts of stats these days on the net. Back when I first started watching, the occasional NBA sportscenter was my only source of stats, or an almanac.

Nowadays, everybody can be a stat guru.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:12 AM   #8
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The birth of fantasy leagues as my guess.

You had those in the early 90's as well. Fill in your team, cut out the roster, put it in an enveloppe and send it back. Fantasy Leagues have been around forever.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:13 AM   #9
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On the other hand: is it me or did we hear much less about the pre draft combine/measurements this summer?
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:34 AM   #10
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Bcuz men lie, women lie, but numbers don't lie
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:45 AM   #11
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When did this start? Why are we doing this? Is it because of the internet? Is it because everybody can have an opinion without being held accountable for it?


It started when stans started caring more about their favorite player, than the team as a whole.

Fans used to be more team oriented, but since Jordan came through and made the NBA soo much money, its seems that they now embrace a player/star driven league.

NFL is going the same route, but you can at least still see the fans love of the teams more than the individual players.

once fans starts caring for players more than the actual teams, then you get the all day every day comparisons of Kobe and Jordan (mostly because kobe fans are constantly looking for anything to make kobe the G.O.A.T). The total focus on some players has led to some fans going too far and putting too much stock into these million different types of stats.
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:50 AM   #12
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Go read a book. This has always been true, it is not a new phenomenon. Just because you had this experience does not make the experience universal. Leonard Koppett's [i]24 Seconds to Shoot[i] is the definitive history of the NBA before 1970 and has player stats mentioned quite a bit to prove certain players worth (Chamberlain, Russell, Robertson, Baylor, Pettit, etc...). Most every other important written record from any era uses stats to measure a player's worth, this has always been true. The difference now is that people are finding new ways (read: stats) to value you a player or team.

Why do people do this (and have always done this)? Because it gives you more knowledge about the game. People's perception of anything often times misses things no matter how many times you watch a game. For instance, if a Player A goes 4 for 10 from the field consistently every game and Player B goes 5 for 10 consistently every game, by the end of the season, one player is shooting 40% and another is shooting 50%, but just by watching the game, that's only one shot and really doesn't make a huge impression. Paying attention to stats fills in the holes (which can often be massive) from watching the game because people on average, miss a lot. It provides more perspective. The bigger question is why so many people are this dismissive of stats?

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We hardly discussed which player deserved to be a top 5 defensive player or which shooting guard had the best post up game.

Having this argument has nothing to do with stats and more to do with you being on a message board where people inherently want to argue about everything.
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Old 10-23-2012, 09:52 AM   #13
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Bcuz men lie, women lie, but numbers don't lie


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Old 10-23-2012, 09:57 AM   #14
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Go read a book. This has always been true, it is not a new phenomenon. Just because you had this experience does not make the experience universal. Leonard Koppett's [i]24 Seconds to Shoot[i] is the definitive history of the NBA before 1970 and has player stats mentioned quite a bit to prove certain players worth (Chamberlain, Russell, Robertson, Baylor, Pettit, etc...). Most every other important written record from any era uses stats to measure a player's worth, this has always been true. The difference now is that people are finding new ways (read: stats) to value you a player or team.

Why do people do this (and have always done this)? Because it gives you more knowledge about the game. People's perception of anything often times misses things no matter how many times you watch a game. For instance, if a Player A goes 4 for 10 from the field consistently every game and Player B goes 5 for 10 consistently every game, by the end of the season, one player is shooting 40% and another is shooting 50%, but just by watching the game, that's only one shot and really doesn't make a huge impression. Paying attention to stats fills in the holes (which can often be massive) from watching the game because people on average, miss a lot. It provides more perspective. The bigger question is why so many people are this dismissive of stats?



Having this argument has nothing to do with stats and more to do with you being on a message board where people inherently want to argue about everything.


People have not always been as fixated on stats as they are today...


people didnt ask who was G.O.A.T after every f*cking game like they do on ISH

Everyone had their favorite players, but the NBA was more about team rivalries. Sixers/Celtics, Lakers/Celtics, Knicks/Heat, Bulls/Knicks.

Like I said, Jordan was the first player to have such a large presence in this new media age. But once he succeeded so well, it seems Stern wanted to find the next Jordan, and then the next one after that
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:04 AM   #15
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So you dont watch a basketball game and still sound like you know what your talking about


Stats are really useful if you actually watch how these stats were generated, there is so many variables.


Watching a player take over a game or a quarter without it being called in the coaches game plan. Or those plays that can change the momentum of a game.
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