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Old 10-24-2012, 12:33 AM   #16
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Default Re: Could James Harden lead a playoff caliber team as the lead player/scorer?

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no chance..
That guy is so overrated its not funny...

Joe Johnson >> harden..

I have to agree with this guy, harden is incredibly overrated. How is Lawson not better than him?
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:34 AM   #17
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I hear a lot of comparisons to Joe Johnson. I certainly think JJ is a good enough player to be the lead dog on a playoff caliber team.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:36 AM   #18
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I feel confident that he will eventually be able to do it. He is really young and skilled. I have no doubt he could be the lead dog on a team like Indiana.
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Old 10-24-2012, 08:08 AM   #19
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we saw what happened when Miami zoned in on him.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:22 AM   #20
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Soooo, against the bulls in pre-season action with maybe a suspect groin Harden explodes for 2-17 playing starter minutes against a probable bulls lineup.

While it might not prove anything or show much, I feel he has stayed missing since going on a early holiday in Miami last year. I personally dont feel he can be a first option and I do not feel he is worth a max contract. I hope we ship him out for picks or something rather than potentially tieing up our money into 3 jump shooters and a developing big.

I dunno bout other OKC fans out there, but I aint feeling this guy no more. I hope Perry Jones can develop into a serviceable 6th man and I hope OKC spends the cash on a C/Low post threat.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:47 AM   #21
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I think he could, but the team would be swept. He would average 20ppg, on 42% shooting.

He would be one of the best second options in the league though imo.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:58 AM   #22
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Default Re: Could James Harden lead a playoff caliber team as the lead player/scorer?

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I hear a lot of comparisons to Joe Johnson. I certainly think JJ is a good enough player to be the lead dog on a playoff caliber team.
He's not really, one could even argue Josh Smith was more important in Atlanta than JJ.

Although I do see JJ and Harden in a similair light in terms of roles on a team. Exceptional 2nd/3rd option, just doesn't quite cut it as the man.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:01 AM   #23
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Default Re: Could James Harden lead a playoff caliber team as the lead player/scorer?

What do you mean a lead dog on a playoff team? There's people good enough to be a lead dog on teams that get eliminated in the first round consistantly, Harden would perfectly fill that role just like JJ.


And Ty Lawson, Harden and Eric Gordon are all pretty close imo.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:32 AM   #24
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Championship with Harden...
...as your best player? Never.
...as your second best? Nope.
...as you third best? Sure, if he doesn't shoot 37% FG and you have two superstars...

Dude couldn't buy a shot in the Finals.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:29 PM   #25
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Default Re: Could James Harden lead a playoff caliber team as the lead player/scorer?

I guess the new in-vogue thing is to say this guy is overrated.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:35 PM   #26
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Default Re: Could James Harden lead a playoff caliber team as the lead player/scorer?

He would be slighty better than a Joe Johnson when he got traded from the Suns to Atlanta. Not the type of guy that will lead you to championships, but surrounded by a good supporting cast can be the leader of a perennial 2nd round finishers.
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Old 10-24-2012, 01:20 PM   #27
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Default Re: Could James Harden lead a playoff caliber team as the lead player/scorer?

James Harden is not a leader. Even if he was the best player on a playoff caliber team (and this team would be a first round exit), he wouldn't be the one leading them. It would be some grizzled veteran like Tyson Chandler taking the leadership reigns.

The best player is not always the leader. Look at the Knicks, for example.
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:02 PM   #28
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Yes i think so.
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Default Re: Could James Harden lead a playoff caliber team as the lead player/scorer?

Joe Johnson, who played 40+ mpg and started every game in his PHX and initial ATL days, was better than Harden... and look how far Johnson went? first-second round exits in a weak conference.
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Default Re: Could James Harden lead a playoff caliber team as the lead player/scorer?

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Soooo, against the bulls in pre-season action with maybe a suspect groin Harden explodes for 2-17 playing starter minutes against a probable bulls lineup.

While it might not prove anything or show much, I feel he has stayed missing since going on a early holiday in Miami last year. I personally dont feel he can be a first option and I do not feel he is worth a max contract. I hope we ship him out for picks or something rather than potentially tieing up our money into 3 jump shooters and a developing big.

I dunno bout other OKC fans out there, but I aint feeling this guy no more. I hope Perry Jones can develop into a serviceable 6th man and I hope OKC spends the cash on a C/Low post threat.

This doesn't necessarily pertain to the thread topic.

Last night was interesting to watch, for sure. I wouldn't take a whole lot from it, though.

A few things:

1. It was his third preseason game.

2. He played the majority of his minutes with Perkins and Thabo, which is not ideal personnel to have on the floor with a player like James. Not to mention Chicago was using whoever was guarding Perkins or Thabo to throw double teams and traps at Harden.

3. He still got some good looks that just weren't falling last night for whatever reason. Hopefully he's still not hungover from his piss poor Finals performance and the partying he did in Miami.

4. Despite the awful shooting numbers, he still had 7 assists and 7 rebounds and made some nice plays down the stretch dishing off to teammates after breaking down the defense and getting into the lane.

5. I did notice he settled for more jumpers than we're accustomed to seeing. On plays he'd normally try to get all the way to basket, he was stopping and settling or 12-17 foot jumpers.


The more I see of Perry Jones, the more excited I get about him falling to us that late in the 1st round. His shot wasn't falling last night, but he still had some impressive finishes in traffic at the rim.

And how about Serge? His offensive game has looked better than ever in the preseason. And those corner threes? He's averaging 16.2 ppg on 59% shooting and he's 4/6 from three.
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