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Old 12-28-2012, 02:18 AM   #106
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Kobe missed it by 1 rebound yesterday
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:57 AM   #107
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As an OKC fan, what improvement do you want to most see from KD? I respect his efforts to get better on D/playmaking (in addition to his shooting and scoring, which get better every seasons), but I'd really like to see him become a dominant rebounder at his position. I'm not sure if his frame can handle boxing out/playing down low enough for it, but if he averages 10-11 rebounds a game (everything else constant), I think he's clearly the best player in the game. Now this is in a vacuum of course and it might not be better for the team, but from a selfish POV that's the improvement I'd like to see (especially after mentioning that he likens his game most to Bird's...given it's harder to get rebounds today with fewer possessions, but Larry Legend did outrebound Moses for a series or two in his day and as meaningless as raw RPG is, that 10.0 career mark by Bird is pretty sweet no doubt).
His offensive rebounding and ball-handling. His turnovers are still too high, but a part of the reason for that is because he commits 1-2 silly turnovers a game where he's just lazy with the ball or tries to make an unnecessary pass. He doesn't even averaged one ORPG. If he could average one ORPG that'd get him a lot closer to 10 RPG. His rebounding numbers have taken a dip lately, but that's partially because Ibaka has been a lot better (12 RPG over his last six games and two 17 rebound games).

He's still a really good rebounder for his position, though.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:27 AM   #108
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Starting to wonder just how good Durant is going to be at his peak assuming he's not already there. Given that he's 24 I doubt he is, although plenty of the other top 10-20 players all-time reached their statistical peaks around ages 23-25 years old; so there's a possibility Durant is already reaching his statistical peak.

His last 20 games:

30.7 PPG
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4.4 APG
1.5 SPG
1.3 BPG
3.3 TOPG
.532 FG% (194/365)
.456 3P% (40/87)
.912 FT% (186/204)

Needs to get his TOPG down under four, but he's really playing at an incredible level this year. After not scoring more than 26 (2x) in the first 8 games, he's averaging 31-8-4 on absurd shooting percentages of 53/46/91, and he really hasn't had a bad game. He's basically gotten to the point where the occasional 16 points on 7/22 shooting nights basically never happen. The only other player in the league right now in that category is LeBron and maybe Carmelo. Kobe, too, to an extent, but he has some horrifically bad shooting nights. It's not just that Durant is scoring a lot, he's doing with borderline unbelievable efficiency for a SF.

I used to really question his ceiling in terms of all-time rank/legacy. I'll see someone say he could be top 10 or top 15 all-time and just shrug it off because I didn't really believe it. I thought maybe, with a ring or two, he could get top 20, or top 30 without a ring. Now, though, I'm starting to think he really does have a top 10-15 all-time ceiling. Obviously he'll need a ring or two to get there. Look at it like this: how many other players in NBA history can you say were better scorers than Durant? A player who basically just rolled out of bed and got you 28-30 points a night on 60%+ TS. I mean is it absurd to think he could finish his career as a top-3 perimeter scorer of all-time? Then you look at the 7-8 RPG average from the SF spot, the improving passing playmaking and what could be 3-5 seasons f 4-5 APG, an ever improving defense, and a prime where he averages around 1.5 BPG and 1.5 SPG and maybe it's not so crazy to think he could potentially retire with a top 10-15 all-time resume. And of course he's got something all the other guys in that group had, and that's the ability to rise to the occasion in big games, hit the big shots, and take over games in the fourth quarter and lead his team to a win even when no one else is having a good night offensively.

Just some speculation on my part. Obviously he's got a lot of work to do just to get to top 50 all-time, never mind top 10-20.

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Old 12-28-2012, 04:39 AM   #109
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His offensive rebounding and ball-handling. His turnovers are still too high, but a part of the reason for that is because he commits 1-2 silly turnovers a game where he's just lazy with the ball or tries to make an unnecessary pass. He doesn't even averaged one ORPG. If he could average one ORPG that'd get him a lot closer to 10 RPG. His rebounding numbers have taken a dip lately, but that's partially because Ibaka has been a lot better (12 RPG over his last six games and two 17 rebound games).

He's still a really good rebounder for his position, though.
He might be averaging 3.5TOPG but besides averaging 4.2APG he is also averaging 1.5stl and 1.5BPG which means he compensates for those turnovers more than enough.
I see him turning over the ball cause most of the time he is trying new stuff and since it's reg season I say let him experiment and figure new stuff out. How many teams can say their young star is in a learning phase and winning phase?
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He might be averaging 3.5TOPG but besides averaging 4.2APG he is also averaging 1.5stl and 1.5BPG which means he compensates for those turnovers more than enough.
I see him turning over the ball cause most of the time he is trying new stuff and since it's reg season I say let him experiment and figure new stuff out. How many teams can say their young star is in a learning phase and winning phase?
Yeah, most f the time his turnovers don't really bother me unless it's one of those times he just gets lazy with his dribble out on the perimeter and someone knocks the ball away from him. But like you said, he's sorta kinda making up for it with a combination of 3 steals and blocks most games.
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Old 12-28-2012, 09:34 PM   #111
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LeBron James

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2012122808

EDIT - 35 (15-21 fg; 2-3 3pt)/6reb/6stl/5ast/1blk (3 TOs)

I think this is the second/third 5-5-5-5 of the year.

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Old 12-28-2012, 09:56 PM   #112
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LeBron James

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2012122808

EDIT - 35 (15-21 fg; 2-3 3pt)/6reb/6stl/5ast/1blk (3 TOs)

I think this is the second/third 5-5-5-5 of the year.

Apparently that wasnt enough

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Old 12-28-2012, 09:58 PM   #113
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LeBron James

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2012122808

EDIT - 35 (15-21 fg; 2-3 3pt)/6reb/6stl/5ast/1blk (3 TOs)

I think this is the second/third 5-5-5-5 of the year.
which one is it?
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:05 PM   #114
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http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2012122808

EDIT - 35 (15-21 fg; 2-3 3pt)/6reb/6stl/5ast/1blk (3 TOs)

I think this is the second/third 5-5-5-5 of the year.

uh...no it's not. There have been at least 20 players go 5-5-5-5 this year, unless you mean 30-5-5-5. And then he's 3rd behind Durant and Duncan. Durant had the exact same line 35-6-5-5. Durant also went 37-8-5-4-4 earlier this year
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:07 PM   #115
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uh...no it's not. There have been at least 20 players go 5-5-5-5 this year, unless you mean 30-5-5-5. And then he's 3rd behind Durant and Duncan. Durant had the exact same line 35-6-5-5. Durant also went 37-8-5-4-4 earlier this year
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:08 PM   #116
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uh...no it's not. There have been at least 20 players go 5-5-5-5 this year, unless you mean 30-5-5-5. And then he's 3rd behind Durant and Duncan. Durant had the exact same line 35-6-5-5. Durant also went 37-8-5-4-4 earlier this year

Right, meant 30-5-5-5.

So yeah, it's the 3rd one this seasons.
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Bron with the 35, 5, 5, 5. Cant believe they lost.
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Old 12-28-2012, 10:21 PM   #118
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Parker needs 5 points to get his second 30-5-5 of the season.

Still entire 4th to go vs. Rockets. Very high offense like their last meeting.
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Parker needs 5 points to get his second 30-5-5 of the season.

Still entire 4th to go vs. Rockets. Very high offense like their last meeting.
Harden needs 2 boards as well.
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Harden got it: 33p-5r-7a (side note: Parson had 24-8-5 & Lin had 21-4-8-4)
all 3 had 5 TO's each

Parker got it too: 31-5-10

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