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Old 01-30-2007, 11:52 AM   #31
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Default Re: if you switched garnett with dirk or duncan, woud either team improve?

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garnett isn't capable of leading a team in the 4th like dirk. otherwise they are prety much the same and dirk is quickly closing the gap on defense while remaining light years better than garnett offensively


your right, KG isnt capable of leading a team in the fourth , all he did last nite was DOMINATE the suns in the fourth quarter and dont say its only one game, b/c he's taken games over in clutch times. not just with scoring, but he's won games with his defense (like last year against phx), with his passing, rebounding, etc.
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Old 01-30-2007, 11:53 AM   #32
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put him on the mavs and he helps immensely at the defensive end but hurts them offensively. not because dirk is lightyears better than him but because neither dampier not diop can step out and shoot the way blount and nesterovic and griffin do / did, and that limits garnett's post ability and offensive rebounding when the centers clog his space on offense.
Actually, having a more traditional center who can score down low would be a far better compliment to Garnett's high-post game. Garnett and Blount are out there shooting mid-range jumpers and nobody's on the block until Craig Smith comes in the game.
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Old 01-30-2007, 12:03 PM   #33
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You have to consider that these teams are built around these players. Changing the foundation of the team means the coaches would have to adjust gameplans completely. It'd be way different than just the difference between the players.

of course, no one really seems to notice this...mavs would certainly be worse with kg instead of dirk, although i don't consider dirk individually better than kg. it's because mavs team is build around dirk, to maximize his strengths and hide his weaknesses. change dirk for kg and they would have to make quite a few adjustments, maybe even trade some guys, and result would still not be as good, even though kg IMO isn't worse individual player. (that's main reason this kind of trade would never happen) it's the fact that great TEAMS are much rarer than great players, and teams also consist of system, strategy and consistency, not just individual talent. there is a reason why teams don't trade superstars for superstars of equal or nearly equal ability, even if that wouldn't hurt them on paper.
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Old 01-30-2007, 12:23 PM   #34
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Default Re: if you switched garnett with dirk or duncan, woud either team improve?

Switch KG with Dirk/Duncan: Wolves will improve, Mavs/Spurs won't.
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Old 01-30-2007, 12:42 PM   #35
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Default Re: if you switched garnett with dirk or duncan, woud either team improve?

HonestTruth all you do is hate on KG so just don't talk in these topics about him. No one cares what you have to say.

From my perspective, both teams stay about the same.
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Old 01-30-2007, 12:46 PM   #36
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your right, KG isnt capable of leading a team in the fourth , all he did last nite was DOMINATE the suns in the fourth quarter and dont say its only one game, b/c he's taken games over in clutch times. not just with scoring, but he's won games with his defense (like last year against phx), with his passing, rebounding, etc.

to be fair, dirk and duncan both singlehandedly deestroy PHX too (especially dirk)
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Old 01-30-2007, 12:52 PM   #37
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I disagree, I think Dallas would actually level out because Duncan would be the post defender they could really rely on. I also think that Duncan would make those around him shoot more and get better there. That being said, Duncan wouldn't fit well into the offensive scheme, I doubt they'd win a championship, unless they change something..... like the offensive scheme.
what do you mean level out? Stay the same? Since they are the favorite to win the title right now if you believe duncan wouldnt get them to a title then they get worse. As for post D, damp is fine on post D. Thats what hes there for. As for getting other people shots, dirk is at least as good at that as duncan.
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Old 01-30-2007, 12:54 PM   #38
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simple answet to the question.......YES, both teams would be better. when has garnett had players like parker and josh howard and jason terry, jerry stackhouse, devin harris, heck, a defensive center like dampier, ginobili, etc, etc...
since you mentioned stackhouse, ill tell you, he has at least 4 players better than jerry stackhouse on his team right now.
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Old 01-30-2007, 12:54 PM   #39
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Default Re: if you switched garnett with dirk or duncan, woud either team improve?

Dirk got the offense not the D compare to Garnett
but what good is Dampier and Diopp for besides D anyways
you'll end up not being able to spread the floor
and having to bench both Ds or trade them
since Mavs could turn into another Bulls great D but okay offensively

it wouldn't be the same
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Old 01-30-2007, 01:01 PM   #40
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and having to bench both Ds or trade them
Not at all the case.

Ladies and gentleman: Kevin Garnett is a HIGH-POST player. Having a center that plays close to the basket DOES NOT hurt his game.

That is all.
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Old 01-30-2007, 01:04 PM   #41
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Default Re: if you switched garnett with dirk or duncan, woud either team improve?

this is a BIG no
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Old 01-30-2007, 05:32 PM   #42
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Default Re: if you switched garnett with dirk or duncan, woud either team improve?

As much as I love Dirk and as much as I think, that he is the offensive player that posts the most problems for opposing defenses, I dont believe the Mavs get worse with KG.

Look at what Dallas does. They isolate people in the high post and they play pick&roll. Thats basically it. There is some penetrate and kick action and they swing the ball well when defense has to rotate.
In which part of that doesnt KG fit in? Granted, he is not as effective on the pick and roll cause he cant shoot it like Dirk. And he doesnt shoot threes. But he is similar enough to Dirk to keep the system running.
Now look at what KG brings to the table. He is the a better rebounder. Even though Dallas already is 3rd in the league in rebounding margin, they always can improve there. He is by far the better defender. Noone in the NBA matches his combination of weakside/team and man to man defense.

Now I dont think the Mavs get better with him. They are a top 2 contender with both players.
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:41 PM   #43
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Look at what Dallas does. They isolate people in the high post and they play pick&roll. Thats basically it. There is some penetrate and kick action and they swing the ball well when defense has to rotate.
In which part of that doesnt KG fit in? Granted, he is not as effective on the pick and roll cause he cant shoot it like Dirk. And he doesnt shoot threes. But he is similar enough to Dirk to keep the system running.
Now look at what KG brings to the table. He is the a better rebounder. Even though Dallas already is 3rd in the league in rebounding margin, they always can improve there. He is by far the better defender. Noone in the NBA matches his combination of weakside/team and man to man defense.

Not when you factor in free throw attempts and spacing on the floor.
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KG is a better passer. Better rebounder. Better defender.

Dirk is a better shooter. Dirk is a better........... shooter.

KG is more all around, and quite frankly, the BETTER player. But for some reason, Dirk just fits in Dallas. And it doesn't make sense. You think with Jet as your pg you would want someone on the floor who can pass. Is Devin Harris a good passer?
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KG is a better passer. Better rebounder. Better defender.

Dirk is a better shooter. Dirk is a better........... shooter.

KG is more all around, and quite frankly, the BETTER player. But for some reason, Dirk just fits in Dallas. And it doesn't make sense. You think with Jet as your pg you would want someone on the floor who can pass. Is Devin Harris a good passer?

garnett isn't a better passer.
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