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Old 12-20-2012, 01:46 AM   #286
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To be fair, how many NBA players do you see on this UNC team?

McAdoo, Hairston, Bullock... No one else right now. Eventually Johnson, probably. Maybe James if you are really buying his upside. He's closer to a high school talent than college talent right now. That's about it.

Don't get me wrong, 3 NBA players is better than most teams in the country. But we all know how Roy succeeds at UNC (because he didn't always have great talent at Kansas, which gets overlooked)... Elite talent + system = Elite team.

He's going to coach one way: RUN and inside then out. If the players can't play that way, he's going to make them play that way. Just the way he is and you can't really blame a guy who wins almost 80 percent of his game. Although I'm not a huge fan on how hard-head he can be.

He's stubborn and he's extremely loyal. He will make some changes (do you not see him playing 1 in 4 out?, throws in some zone this year. ZONE), just small stuff that won't alter his offensive philosophy.

-Well these guys can run. Except they run like chickens without their heads.
-They can't play inside then out because there's nota back to the basket player on the team, other than a skinny freshman.


Then consider Kendall Marshall leaving after his sophomore year. No one predicted that and it was heavily aided by the Drew's transfer. No one predicted that either.

That put Roy in a situation where he needed to get a PG in 2012... Which so happened to be the worst class for PGs in how long? It's the exact same reason UK has struggled to some extent. They needed a PG in 2012, didn't see anyone good and relied on a transfer who hasn't panned out to this extent.

Roy's system won't work without a competent PG. Marcus Paige isn't one right now.


Next year we bring in a PG who has been plummeting down the rankings (top 15 to 70+), a PF who should help, and a true center which will really help. Nothing big, though, because you have to assume McAdoo goes.

2014 is where he needs to fix things. Give me Berry, Jackson, and one of Winslow, Pinson, Exum, or Russell. Maybe throw in Copeland if one of the bigs like Johnson emerge as an NBA player.
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:40 AM   #287
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Myck Kabongo gonna be hit with a suspension?
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:50 AM   #288
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Kabongo is likely out of the year.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--...035535906.html

They announced it during the game, which is so


Anyway I will address. You say 4 star like that means something. This is UNC and these aren't football rankings. 4 stars are all over the damn place.

You want to see the difference between 4 stars and 5 stars at UNC with Roy under the helm?

5 Stars

JR Smith - Blew up in the mcd and went to the NBA out of hs, #18

Marvin Williams - #2 pick - lottery
Tyler Hansbrough - #13 pick - lottery
Tywon Lawson - #18 pick
Wayne Ellington - #28 pick
Brandan Wright - #8 pick - lottery
Ed Davis - #13 pick - lottery
Tyler Zeller - #17 pick
John Henson - #14 pick - lottery
Harrison Barnes - #7 pick - lottery
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Reggie Bullock - 2, probably 3 year starter. Will be in the NBA.
James Michael McAdoo - 1, unlikely 2, year starter. Will be in the NBA. - Probably lottery
PJ Hairston - 6th man, likely a 1, maybe 2, year starter. Will be in the NBA.

4 Stars

Quentin Thomas - Back up PG
Danny Green - 6th man/1 year starter - NBA
Bobby Frasor - 1 year starter, career killed by injuries
Marcus Ginyard - 3 year-ish starter, career killed by injuries
Deon Thompson - 3 year starter.
Alex Stepheson - Transfer to USC
Will Graves - Dismissed from the team
Larry Drew Jr - Transfer to UCLA
David Wear - Transfer to UCLA
Travis Wear - Transfer to UCLA
Kendall Marshall - #13 pick - lottery
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Dexter Strickland - 3 year starter... Probably won't make it to the NBA
Leslie McDonald - 6/7th man... Probably won't make it to the NBA
Marcus Paige - 1+ year starter... Unsure as to how his future looks.
Brice Johnson - Likely 1-3 year starter. Probably will make it to the NBA.
JP Tokoto - Not sure on both accounts.
Joel James - Not sure on both accounts.

Other

Mike Copeland - 2 star backup
Justin Watts - 3 star backup
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Desmond Hubert - 3 star ... Starter/backup
Stilman White - 2 star backup
Jackson Simmons - 2 star walk-on

Also had transfers like Justin Knox, Luke Davis, and Wes Miller. Or did Wes transfer before Roy's arrival? I don't think so.


The --- obviously separates the section of currently active players under 4 and 5 stars.

So yeah, it makes a difference at this program, for whatever reason.

Also, withstanding transfers, up until the last group of NBA kids (Marshall, Barnes, Henson), there's not a single player who stayed at UNC for at least 2 years who didn't leave with a national championship ring. Don't bring up college success either.

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Old 12-20-2012, 06:00 PM   #289
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Kabongo is likely out of the year.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--...035535906.html

They announced it during the game, which is so


Anyway I will address. You say 4 star like that means something. This is UNC and these aren't football rankings. 4 stars are all over the damn place.

You want to see the difference between 4 stars and 5 stars at UNC with Roy under the helm?

5 Stars

JR Smith - Blew up in the mcd and went to the NBA out of hs, #18

Marvin Williams - #2 pick - lottery
Tyler Hansbrough - #13 pick - lottery
Tywon Lawson - #18 pick
Wayne Ellington - #28 pick
Brandan Wright - #8 pick - lottery
Ed Davis - #13 pick - lottery
Tyler Zeller - #17 pick
John Henson - #14 pick - lottery
Harrison Barnes - #7 pick - lottery
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Reggie Bullock - 2, probably 3 year starter. Will be in the NBA.
James Michael McAdoo - 1, unlikely 2, year starter. Will be in the NBA. - Probably lottery
PJ Hairston - 6th man, likely a 1, maybe 2, year starter. Will be in the NBA.

4 Stars

Quentin Thomas - Back up PG
Danny Green - 6th man/1 year starter - NBA
Bobby Frasor - 1 year starter, career killed by injuries
Marcus Ginyard - 3 year-ish starter, career killed by injuries
Deon Thompson - 3 year starter.
Alex Stepheson - Transfer to USC
Will Graves - Dismissed from the team
Larry Drew Jr - Transfer to UCLA
David Wear - Transfer to UCLA
Travis Wear - Transfer to UCLA
Kendall Marshall - #13 pick - lottery
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Dexter Strickland - 3 year starter... Probably won't make it to the NBA
Leslie McDonald - 6/7th man... Probably won't make it to the NBA
Marcus Paige - 1+ year starter... Unsure as to how his future looks.
Brice Johnson - Likely 1-3 year starter. Probably will make it to the NBA.
JP Tokoto - Not sure on both accounts.
Joel James - Not sure on both accounts.

Other

Mike Copeland - 2 star backup
Justin Watts - 3 star backup
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Desmond Hubert - 3 star ... Starter/backup
Stilman White - 2 star backup
Jackson Simmons - 2 star walk-on

Also had transfers like Justin Knox, Luke Davis, and Wes Miller. Or did Wes transfer before Roy's arrival? I don't think so.


The --- obviously separates the section of currently active players under 4 and 5 stars.

So yeah, it makes a difference at this program, for whatever reason.

Also, withstanding transfers, up until the last group of NBA kids (Marshall, Barnes, Henson), there's not a single player who stayed at UNC for at least 2 years who didn't leave with a national championship ring. Don't bring up college success either.

Thanks for the stats.. wish I can find something like this for Current Nba players and see where they were in HS. I love when a player doesn't make that much noise in college and winds up being a mid to late 1st to 2nd round pick after being highly touted in HS and then blows up in the NBA (Zach Randolph, Gerald Wallace) or vice versa (dwade was a 3 star athlete out of HS) and then the failures (too many to name).

But out of the UNC bunch ty lawson seems to be the best and my personal fav out of the bunch is kendal marshall.. nice! Altho I might add I like mcadoos upside at the next level BIGTIME!
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Thanks for the stats.. wish I can find something like this for Current Nba players and see where they were in HS. I love when a player doesn't make that much noise in college and winds up being a mid to late 1st to 2nd round pick after being highly touted in HS and then blows up in the NBA (Zach Randolph, Gerald Wallace) or vice versa (dwade was a 3 star athlete out of HS) and then the failures (too many to name).

But out of the UNC bunch ty lawson seems to be the best and my personal fav out of the bunch is kendal marshall.. nice! Altho I might add I like mcadoos upside at the next level BIGTIME!
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...recruit-search

You can search any player dating back to 2002. It's definitely an interesting thing to look at.
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Old 12-22-2012, 05:13 AM   #291
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Coming back from a 21 point deficit on the road against a Pac-12 side to win by five. Landon Drew & Stephen Hicks combine for 38 points on 16-22 shooting with only 4 combined free throw attempts. Conference play @ Hawaii coming up.


Go 'Dors!
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Coming back from a 21 point deficit on the road against a Pac-12 side to win by five. Landon Drew & Stephen Hicks combine for 38 points on 16-22 shooting with only 4 combined free throw attempts. Conference play @ Hawaii coming up.


Go 'Dors!

Ugh, terrible choke by the Utes. CSUN looks like a decent team so it's not a completely awful loss, but still.
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Stephen Hicks can ball
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great game between Temple and Syracuse, Boeheim looking mad salty at the end of the game, they ruined his 900th game

MSU down at the half, we need to move the ball a lot better and get some better looks, but Texas is playing really well on defence so not too much to be mad about
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Some great matchups today. MSU should be able to put Texas away.
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Some great matchups today. MSU should be able to put Texas away.


Prince Ibeh (Texas big man) blocks, knocks down, then taunts Nix, and Nix gets a foul for complaining for a foul

MSU goes on a 11-0 run

this game is in the bag if we keep the intensity up
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Nix is raping Texas and Payne ain't doing too bad in the second half either. Great to see the big men playing well....although Texas really isn't that formidable down low.

I cringe when I see them miss as many good 3pt looks as they have today though. That could be a key reason they eventually lose in the tourny. They have good shooters this year too. Better than most years.
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BOTTLED UP!

turnovers on 4 straight possession for Texas

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Illinois vs Missouri

Kansas vs Ohio St

Arizona and Cincinatti also in action.

Oh boy oh boy oh boy
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