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Old 11-11-2012, 11:20 PM   #61
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:31 PM   #62
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LOL never. LeBron and Kobe are both easily better scorers. A semi-good stretch for Melo doesn't change that.

Kobe WAS...not anymore, his efficiency is decling with every passing season...and in my opinion his jump shot is suffering as well.

LeBron still is a novice in the post, and his jumper will NEVER EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR reach the Bernard King level which Melo's has been on for his entire career. So LeBron with an average post game, a below average jumper is better than Melo?

Better means more versatile...and Melo can do it all... no weaknesses in that offensive game, he's a genius
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:37 PM   #63
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:39 PM   #64
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Kobe WAS...not anymore, his efficiency is decling with every passing season...and in my opinion his jump shot is suffering as well.

LeBron still is a novice in the post, and his jumper will NEVER EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR reach the Bernard King level which Melo's has been on for his entire career. So LeBron with an average post game, a below average jumper is better than Melo?

Better means more versatile...and Melo can do it all... no weaknesses in that offensive game, he's a genius
Great post, Lebron's always had a team moulded for him to play to his best abilities. Melo is only just getting that luxury. New York did stuff around for 1.5 seasons getting the roster together to suit him admittedly, but the Denver set up was never ideal either.

Melo constantly had to try and play when George Karl absolutely loathed his, Jr Smith's and K-Mart's game. Karl never knew how to handle them and instead of embracing them like Woodson has, constantly benched and put them down without any explanation.

Melo's versatility is probably the best in the league but doesn't get fully utilised often enough for proper judgement to be made. Regardless, Melo > Lebron as a scorer and it's not debatable from a versatility standpoint.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:43 PM   #65
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Melo or Durant gets it.

Kobe still the best scorer, though. He just doesn't have to score as much as the others with his team.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:45 PM   #66
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consistency is a big part of scoring, if not the biggest. and LBJ shits on Melo in that aspect
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:52 PM   #67
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Great post, Lebron's always had a team moulded for him to play to his best abilities. Melo is only just getting that luxury. New York did stuff around for 1.5 seasons getting the roster together to suit him admittedly, but the Denver set up was never ideal either.

Melo constantly had to try and play when George Karl absolutely loathed his, Jr Smith's and K-Mart's game. Karl never knew how to handle them and instead of embracing them like Woodson has, constantly benched and put them down without any explanation.

Melo's versatility is probably the best in the league but doesn't get fully utilised often enough for proper judgement to be made. Regardless, Melo > Lebron as a scorer and it's not debatable from a versatility standpoint.

Yeah Mike Woodson has truly been a pleasant surprise. There isn't a better coach for this team in the entire league at the moment.

The number one factor with Mike is that the players RESPECT HIM. For lack of a better word, they really see Mike Woodson as an "OG". They relate to him, he's one of them. Coach played in the league at a high level, and he seems to really understand their personalities, their thinking, and empathize with some of the mistakes they made. It's surreal, almost like seeing your future self face to face with you now...and hearing all the wisdom from the elder you. He also makes them feel comfortable, he has a great balance of an authority figure and also a friend.

Great scenerio for us this year. I think our only problem at this point is a lack of scoring. I'd love for Grunwald to try and pick up a pure scorer at the trade deadline... With a Jason Terry type on this team we could really go far.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:56 PM   #68
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Funny how LeBron shoots better from midrange than Melo the last two years and has a higher career 3PT%. Melo is dreadfully overrated as a shooter.



Year by year comparison then


2003-04:
LeBron: 20.9 PPG on .417/.290/.754 in regular season.
Melo: 21.0 PPG on .426/.322/.777 in regular season. 15.0 on .328/.182/.800 in playoffs.


2004-05:
LeBron: 27.2 on .472/.351/.750 in regular season.
Melo: 20.8 on .431/.266/.796 in regular season. 19.2 on .422/.000/.813 in playoffs.


2005-06:
LeBron: 31.4 on .480/.335/.738 in regular season. 30.8 on .476/.333/.737 in playoffs.
Melo: 26.5 on .481/.243/.808 in regular season. 21.0 on .333/.000/.750 in playoffs.


2006-07
LeBron: 27.3 on .476/.319/.698 in regular season. 25.1 on .416/.280/.755 in playoffs.
Melo: 28.9 on .476/.268/.808 in regular season. 26.8 on .480/.500/.795 in playoffs.


2007-08
LeBron: 30.0 (led NBA) on .484/.315/.712 in regular season. 28.2 on .411/.257/.731 in playoffs
Melo: 25.7 on .492/.354/.786 in regular season. 22.5 on .364/.250/.828 in playoffs.


2008-09
LeBron: 28.4 on .489/.344/.780 in regular season. 35.3 (led NBA) on .510/.333/.749 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.8 on .443/.371/.793 in regular season. 27.2 on .453/.364/.826 in playoffs.


2009-10
LeBron: 29.7 on .503/.333/.767 in regular season. 29.1 on .502/.400/.733 in playoffs.
Melo: 28.2 on .458/.316/.830 in regular season. 30.7 on .464/.316/.877 in playoffs.


2010-11
LeBron: 26.7 on .510/.330/.759 in regular season. 23.7 on .466/.353/.763 in playoffs.
Melo: 25.6 on .455/.378/.838 in regular season. 26.0 on .375/.346/.853 in playoffs.


2011-12
LeBron: 27.1 on .531/.362/.771 in regular season. 30.3 (led NBA) on .500/.259/.739 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.6 on .430/.335/.804 in regular season. 27.8 on .419/.222/.756 in playoffs.





Career regular season
LeBron: 27.6 PPG on .484/.332/.747.
Melo: 24.7 PPG on .456/.323/.805.


Career Playoffs
LeBron: 28.5 PPG on .469/.312/.745.
Melo: 24.9 PPG on .419/.327/.815.



50+ point games
LeBron: 9
Melo: 2


Scoring titles
LeBron: 1
Melo: 0


Playoff leader in PPG
LeBron: 2
Melo: 0


30+ PPG
LeBron: 2
Melo: 0



30+ PPG in playoffs
LeBron: 3
Melo: 1









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Old 11-11-2012, 11:59 PM   #69
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Funny how LeBron shoots better from midrange than Melo the last two years and has a higher career 3PT%. Melo is dreadfully overrated as a shooter.



Year by year comparison then


2003-04:
LeBron: 20.9 PPG on .417/.290/.754 in regular season.
Melo: 21.0 PPG on .426/.322/.777 in regular season. 15.0 on .328/.182/.800 in playoffs.


2004-05:
LeBron: 27.2 on .472/.351/.750 in regular season.
Melo: 20.8 on .431/.266/.796 in regular season. 19.2 on .422/.000/.813 in playoffs.


2005-06:
LeBron: 31.4 on .480/.335/.738 in regular season. 30.8 on .476/.333/.737 in playoffs.
Melo: 26.5 on .481/.243/.808 in regular season. 21.0 on .333/.000/.750 in playoffs.


2006-07
LeBron: 27.3 on .476/.319/.698 in regular season. 25.1 on .416/.280/.755 in playoffs.
Melo: 28.9 on .476/.268/.808 in regular season. 26.8 on .480/.500/.795 in playoffs.


2007-08
LeBron: 30.0 (led NBA) on .484/.315/.712 in regular season. 28.2 on .411/.257/.731 in playoffs
Melo: 25.7 on .492/.354/.786 in regular season. 22.5 on .364/.250/.828 in playoffs.


2008-09
LeBron: 28.4 on .489/.344/.780 in regular season. 35.3 (led NBA) on .510/.333/.749 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.8 on .443/.371/.793 in regular season. 27.2 on .453/.364/.826 in playoffs.


2009-10
LeBron: 29.7 on .503/.333/.767 in regular season. 29.1 on .502/.400/.733 in playoffs.
Melo: 28.2 on .458/.316/.830 in regular season. 30.7 on .464/.316/.877 in playoffs.


2010-11
LeBron: 26.7 on .510/.330/.759 in regular season. 23.7 on .466/.353/.763 in playoffs.
Melo: 25.6 on .455/.378/.838 in regular season. 26.0 on .375/.346/.853 in playoffs.


2011-12
LeBron: 27.1 on .531/.362/.771 in regular season. 30.3 (led NBA) on .500/.259/.739 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.6 on .430/.335/.804 in regular season. 27.8 on .419/.222/.756 in playoffs.





Career regular season
LeBron: 27.6 PPG on .484/.332/.747.
Melo: 24.7 PPG on .456/.323/.805.


Career Playoffs
LeBron: 28.5 PPG on .469/.312/.745.
Melo: 24.9 PPG on .419/.327/.815.



50+ point games
LeBron: 9
Melo: 2













Hey dummy...youre looking at 2 pt FG% right?

Ever stop to think that most of LeBrons shots from the field are dunks? That increases FG%

On the other hand most of Melo's shots are contested mid range jumpers...

So yes LBJ should have a higher FG% than Melo considering athe majority of his shots are dunks/layups.

I guess Tony Paker is a better shooter than Melo too because his FG% is 50% right?

Even the most ignorant of basketball fans know TP cant shoot
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:02 AM   #70
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Hey dummy...youre looking at 2 pt FG% right?

Ever stop to think that most of LeBrons shots from the field are dunks? That increases FG%

On the other hand most of Melo's shots are contested mid range jumpers...

So yes LBJ should have a higher FG% than Melo considering athe majority of his shots are dunks/layups.

I guess Tony Paker is a better shooter than Melo too because his FG% is 50% right?

Even the most ignorant of basketball fans know TP cant shoot
No LeBron has shot better from midrange last two years than Melo. Look it up. It's also not LeBron's fault he's better than Melo at getting to the rim. LeBron scores more, is more efficient, and is a far better playoff performer than Melo and is far more likely to score 50+. Not sure what the debate is.

Here's some more data



40+ games, regular season
LeBron: 48
Melo: 21



40+ games, playoffs
LeBron: 11
Melo: 4
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:03 AM   #71
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consistency is a big part of scoring, if not the biggest. and LBJ shits on Melo in that aspect
thank you. This guy gets it. It doesn't matter if LeBron isn't as "pretty" as Melo when he scores, he scores more and he's more efficient, I could care less how he gets his points as long as he gets them.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:08 AM   #72
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No LeBron has shot better from midrange last two years than Melo. Look it up. It's also not LeBron's fault he's better than Melo at getting to the rim. LeBron scores more, is more efficient, and is a far better playoff performer than Melo and is far more likely to score 50+. Not sure what the debate is.

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40+ games, regular season
LeBron: 48
Melo: 21



40+ games, playoffs
LeBron: 11
Melo: 4


SO YOURE ADMITTING IT! LEBRONS FG% IS HIGHER BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF HIS SHOTS ARE DUNKS!

How does that make someone a better scorer?!

LeBron is ridiculously athletic, does that make him the best scorer in the league? Old Man Kobe is still light years ahead of LeBron in terms of advanced scoring.

And you dont care how LeBron gets his points? Maybe because his scoring was so one dimensional for so long that contributed to his multiple failures in the closing seconds of games?

When you can do it all on the floor, team's cant play you any specific way or exploit you in the closing seconds. You have too many options...and that is why (now this is a FACT, look it up dick) CARMELO ANTHONY HAS HIT THE MOST GAME WINNING/TYING SHOTS IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE SINCE 2003.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:11 AM   #73
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SO YOURE ADMITTING IT! LEBRONS FG% IS HIGHER BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF HIS SHOTS ARE DUNKS!

How does that make someone a better scorer?!

LeBron is ridiculously athletic, does that make him the best scorer in the league? Old Man Kobe is still light years ahead of LeBron in terms of advanced scoring.

And you dont care how LeBron gets his points? Maybe because his scoring was so one dimensional for so long that contributed to his multiple failures in the closing seconds of games?

When you can do it all on the floor, team's cant play you any specific way or exploit you in the closing seconds. You have too many options...and that is why (now this is a FACT, look it up dick) CARMELO ANTHONY HAS HIT THE MOST GAME WINNING/TYING SHOTS IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE SINCE 2003.
That's nice. LeBron led the league in 4th quarter scoring like 4 years in a row in Cleveland, so what's your point? He also has hit plenty of game winners, and I'm fairly certain has a better percentage on game winners in the playoffs. LeBron has 6 playoff game winners. Does Melo have any? LeBron also scores more in the playoffs, so again it doesn't matter how he does it. You're arguing against facts, I find this hilarious.



ANd for the last ****ing time:
LEBRON SHOT BETTER FROM MIDRANGE THAN MELO THE LAST TWO SEASONS. MIDRANGE!!!! OR DID LEBRON DUNK THOSE TOO?
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Kobe > Durant > Melo > LeBron > half the league > Wade
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Kobe > Durant > Melo > LeBron > half the league > Wade
Worst list ever.
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