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Old 11-12-2012, 03:44 PM   #121
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LOL at the fans who say Carmelo is a better scorer than Lebron.

Lebron is much better at scoring. Some people have terrible logic.

I saw a few Knicks fans say Carmelo is a better scorer than Lebron because he scores in more ways. Who cares. I don't care if you score with all dunks or a diverse array of moves.

RESULTS matter. And the results show that Lebron is a much better scorer than Melo. He can put up the same scoring volume Melo can but with much better efficiency.

Are you gonna say that Melo is a better scorer than Shaq because all Shaq did was overpower and slam?? Nice logic. Obviously Shaq was a much better scorer.

This is a game of results, not style points. Scoring in a more diverse package of ways means nothing. This isn't gymnastics.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:48 PM   #122
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you havent watched Melo play at all this year

He may have improved it a bit, but he is still far from a good defender. With a 44% fg and 1.5 apg and 7.3 rpg, you better be elite in defense to even be in serious consideration for the MVP.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:52 PM   #123
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LOL at the fans who say Carmelo is a better scorer than Lebron.

Lebron is much better at scoring. Some people have terrible logic.

I saw a few Knicks fans say Carmelo is a better scorer than Lebron because he scores in more ways. Who cares. I don't care if you score with all dunks or a diverse array of moves.

RESULTS matter. And the results show that Lebron is a much better scorer than Melo. He can put up the same scoring volume Melo can but with much better efficiency.

Are you gonna say that Melo is a better scorer than Shaq because all Shaq did was overpower and slam?? Nice logic. Obviously Shaq was a much better scorer.

This is a game of results, not style points. Scoring in a more diverse package of ways means nothing. This isn't gymnastics.


Has nothing to do with being dominant in one aspect.

When someone is the best scorer its because he can score in every possible way at an elite or near elite level.

LeBrons elite athleticism but average jump shot and post game doesnt make him the most talented scorer. His athleticism may make him dominant but he can ONLY DOMINATE IN ONE WAY.

How may last second shots has LeBron taken as drives to the hoop? He did that because thats his biggest strength! He had few other choices!

If you can score in every possible way you have more options at your disposal therefore making you a more dangerous threat not only at the end of games, but to just but the ball in the basket in general.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:57 PM   #124
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Has nothing to do with being dominant in one aspect.

When someone is the best scorer its because he can score in every possible way at an elite or near elite level.

LeBrons elite athleticism but average jump shot and post game doesnt make him the most talented scorer. His athleticism may make him dominant but he can ONLY DOMINATE IN ONE WAY.

How may last second shots has LeBron taken as drives to the hoop? He did that because thats his biggest strength! He had few other choices!

If you can score in every possible way you have more options at your disposal therefore making you a more dangerous threat not only at the end of games, but to just but the ball in the basket in general.
That is one of the dumbest sentences possible. It doesn't matter how the ball goes through the net, it just matters that the ball made it through the net. I would rather be elite in one area than average in three.
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I have to say, lebron's post game has looked pretty fantastic at times. it's simple, but effective.
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That is one of the dumbest sentences possible. It doesn't matter how the ball goes through the net, it just matters that the ball made it through the net. I would rather be elite in one area than average in three.

LeBron is average in his post game and jump shot. I cant wait until this guy undergoes microfracture and is half the player he is now because of his lack of a scientfic approach to the game.

LeBron without athleticism isnt close to Kobe.

And yes....having more weapons does make you more dangerous, especially when those weapons are of the highest level
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:58 PM   #127
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LeBron is average in his post game and jump shot. I cant wait until this guy undergoes microfracture and is half the player he is now because of his lack of a scientfic approach to the game.

LeBron without athleticism isnt close to Kobe.

And yes....having more weapons does make you more dangerous, especially when those weapons are of the highest level

Face it, Lebron is easily a better scorer than Melo.

Lebron is well above Kobe and yes his post game is very good and it is still expanding rapidly. The guy is elite and the best bball player in the NBA and one of the best of all time. He is also one of the best all around players ever so to pretend he is a one trick pony is funn.

Lebron rarely gets injured so I doubt he will get a micro-fracture. As he ages his post game will expand and his strength will remain if not increase (old man strength). Also Lebron's bball IQ will only increase over time,and his rebounding and passing will remain as well.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:03 PM   #128
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LeBron is batter than Melo at putting the ball through the hoop.

Putting the ball through the hoop = scoring.

LeBron is therefore.......... better at scoring.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:10 PM   #129
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MORE ether for the Melo stans, since they just can't seem to grasp how overrated their boy is as a scorer.


Since 2003-04 (when Melo entered the league), here's how the best scorers in the NBA stack up. Keep in mind some guys haven't played every year since 2003-04, but still are on this list.


Most Top 10 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 9
2. Tie-LeBron James and Dirk Nowitzki, 8
4. Carmelo Anthony, 7
5. Dwyane Wade, 5
6. Tie-Kevin Durant, Amar'e Stoudemire, Michael Redd and Allen Iverson
10. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Chris Bosh, Gilbert Arenas and Ray Allen


Most Top 5 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 9
2. LeBron James, 8
3. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony, 4
5. Tie-Kevin Durant and Allen Iverson, 3
7. Tie-Dirk Nowitzki, Gilbert Arenas and Amar'e Stoudemire


Most Top 3 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. LeBron James, 7
2. Kobe Bryant, 6
3. Tie-Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Allen Iverson, 3
6. Tie-Dwyane Wade, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett, and Gilbert Arenas, 1


Most Top 2 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 5
2. LeBron James, 4
3. Kevin Durant, 3
4. Allen Iverson, 2
5. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Dwyane Wade, and Carmelo Anthony


Most NBA Leaders in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kevin Durant, 3
2. Kobe Bryant, 2
3. Tie-LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson, 1
Melo ABSENT!


Most 25+ PPG seasons since 2003-04 (minimum half of team's games played)
1. Tie-LeBron James and Kobe Bryant, 8
3. Tie-Allen Iverson, Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony, 5
6. Tie-Kevin Durant and Dirk Nowitzki,4
8. Tie-Amare Stoudemire and Gilbert Arenas, 3
10. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Michael Redd


Most 30+ PPG seasons since 2003-04 (minimum half of team's games played)
1. Tie-Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Allen Iverson, 2
4. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Kevin Durant, 1
Melo missing again!

Most games of 40+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 86
2. LeBron James, 48
3. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Allen Iverson, 32
5. Gilbert Arenas, 28
6. Tracy McGrady, 23
7. Tie-Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Vince Carter, 21
10. Amar'e Stoudemire, 18


Most games of 50+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 19
2. LeBron James, 9
3. Allen Iverson, 6
4. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Gilbert Arenas, 3
5. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowitzki, Carmelo Anthony, and Michael Redd


Most 60+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 5
2. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas, 1










"b-b-b-b-but Melo is the best scorer!"

Don't even make me do the playoffs scoring, where Melo will fare worse
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:12 PM   #130
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:13 PM   #131
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:23 PM   #132
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MORE ether for the Melo stans, since they just can't seem to grasp how overrated their boy is as a scorer.


Since 2003-04 (when Melo entered the league), here's how the best scorers in the NBA stack up. Keep in mind some guys haven't played every year since 2003-04, but still are on this list.


Most Top 10 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 9
2. Tie-LeBron James and Dirk Nowitzki, 8T
4. Carmelo Anthony, 7
5. Dwyane Wade, 5
6. Tie-Kevin Durant, Amar'e Stoudemire, Michael Redd and Allen Iverson
10. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Chris Bosh, Gilbert Arenas and Ray Allen


Most Top 5 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 9
2. LeBron James, 8
3. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony, 4
5. Tie-Kevin Durant and Allen Iverson, 3
7. Tie-Dirk Nowitzki, Gilbert Arenas and Amar'e Stoudemire


Most Top 3 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. LeBron James, 7
2. Kobe Bryant, 6
3. Tie-Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Allen Iverson, 3
6. Tie-Dwyane Wade, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett, and Gilbert Arenas, 1


Most Top 2 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 5
2. LeBron James, 4
3. Kevin Durant, 3
4. Allen Iverson, 2
5. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Dwyane Wade, and Carmelo Anthony


Most NBA Leaders in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kevin Durant, 3
2. Kobe Bryant, 2
3. Tie-LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson, 1
Melo ABSENT!


Most 25+ PPG seasons since 2003-04 (minimum half of team's games played)
1. Tie-LeBron James and Kobe Bryant, 8
3. Tie-Allen Iverson, Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony, 5
6. Tie-Kevin Durant and Dirk Nowitzki,4
8. Tie-Amare Stoudemire and Gilbert Arenas, 3
10. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Michael Redd


Most 30+ PPG seasons since 2003-04 (minimum half of team's games played)
1. Tie-Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Allen Iverson, 2
4. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Kevin Durant, 1
Melo missing again!

Most games of 40+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 86
2. LeBron James, 48
3. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Allen Iverson, 32
5. Gilbert Arenas, 28
6. Tracy McGrady, 23
7. Tie-Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Vince Carter, 21
10. Amar'e Stoudemire, 18


Most games of 50+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 19
2. LeBron James, 9
3. Allen Iverson, 6
4. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Gilbert Arenas, 3
5. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowitzki, Carmelo Anthony, and Michael Redd


Most 60+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 5
2. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas, 1










"b-b-b-b-but Melo is the best scorer!"

Don't even make me do the playoffs scoring, where Melo will fare worse


What does 1 or 2 more ppg have to do with definitively annointing one player a better scorer than another?

Having 1 more 50 point game? Things like this are trivial and mean nothing. David Robinson had a 71 point game once, is he a better scorer than Hakeem who rarely if ever scored 50? Cmon brah...
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Look, brah, I'm presenting you with facts, and all you are coming back with is "Melo is still better!!!!!!!". I don't know how much more obvious I have to make it that Melo is not a better scorer than Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant or LeBron James, and has been behind other players depending on the year as well. He's also not a better scorer than prime Allen Iverson or prime Tracy McGrady, for that matter.
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I've always wondered what Kobe's 30, 40, or 50+ point games would have been like if he got be the first option from the start, instead of riding the bench/being the second option to Shaq in his first 8 years.

What do you think Kuniva ? Better averages all-around, maybe drop off on efficiency ? He might have already gotten to 30+ 50 point games.
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I've always wondered what Kobe's 30, 40, or 50+ point games would have been like if he got be the first option from the start, instead of riding the bench/being the second option to Shaq in his first 8 years.

What do you think Kuniva ? Better averages all-around, maybe drop off on efficiency ? He might have already gotten to 30+ 50 point games.
It's possible but I think you have to remember that Kobe is one of the few players ever to attempt 40+ FG's in a game and he's done it a bajilion times. Just worth remembering. I always am surprised T-Mac didn't have more 50+ games, but he only had one year where he really scored at a legendary level, whereas Kobe has had like 3. Kobe does seem to have more peaks and valleys than anyone else though.
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