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Old 11-12-2012, 04:03 PM   #16
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And if Jordan had not won a title that would be an opinion that about 3 people would share. If he had won less than 3 nobody would consider him any greater than they do Wilt, which most people say is 4th, or 5th.

Nah, in the 1980s the GOAT was NOT just a mere calculation of titles achieved. All the GOAT lists during the 1980s had Oscar Robertson and Jerry West extremely high. It wasn't until Jordan set the standard of 6 rings, 6 FMVP that rings became so important.
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I've wondered this as well. He's a great coach but I've always wanted to see what he'd do with a mediocre or dark horse contender.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:08 PM   #18
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I've wondered this as well. He's a great coach but I've always wanted to see what he'd do with a mediocre or dark horse contender.

How often do the post-Shaq pre-Gasol Lakers need to be brought up here? Please tell me how those teams were stacked or elite or anything other than mediocre teams with just ONE great player.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:14 PM   #19
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Would Jordan have been willing to play for the Wizards?
You realize he owned them right, idiot?
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How often do the post-Shaq pre-Gasol Lakers need to be brought up here? Please tell me how those teams were stacked or elite or anything other than mediocre teams with just ONE great player.

You just said it your self though, he had 1 great player to play around and was adding to that. I want to see him take over a line up that has no clear cut number 1 guy and run a team that achieves better then the sum of it's parts.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:27 PM   #21
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Nah, in the 1980s the GOAT was NOT just a mere calculation of titles achieved. All the GOAT lists during the 1980s had Oscar Robertson and Jerry West extremely high. It wasn't until Jordan set the standard of 6 rings, 6 FMVP that rings became so important.
Wilt would be the GOAT, or Magic, or Bird. Jordan would be Karl Malone.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:30 PM   #22
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Nah, in the 1980s the GOAT was NOT just a mere calculation of titles achieved. All the GOAT lists during the 1980s had Oscar Robertson and Jerry West extremely high. It wasn't until Jordan set the standard of 6 rings, 6 FMVP that rings became so important.



Absolutely.
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Default Re: Would Phil Jackson be willing to coach a team without a top 10 player of all time?

Well, he coached the Lakers without Shaq, didn't he?
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:16 PM   #24
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You realize he owned them right, idiot?
OMG, fail.
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Default Re: Would Phil Jackson be willing to coach a team without a top 10 player of all time?

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He coached a Kobe led team so yea.

This.

He's willing as long as he's got Stern's backing.

No Stern's backing = he's scared *****.
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:22 AM   #26
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Default Re: Would Phil Jackson be willing to coach a team without a top 10 player of all time?

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You realize he owned them right, idiot?
Yes. Yes I do. Thank you.

The problem was the original analogy: "would Durant be willing to play for the Kings?" Well, if he was retired, wanted to come back in the league, and the Thunder wouldn't give him an offer, then possibly. Or, if he wanted to own them, possibly. Thus the point of the post...would Phil be willing to coach a team without one of the greatest players of all-time? I'm asking if he would risk tarnishing his legacy at least a bit to coach again, whatever the circumstance.

I personally believe Jordan tarnished his legacy a bit by playing for the Wizards. He went from leading teams to the playoffs every year of his career to missing the playoffs those 2 years and having losing records, something players like Duncan will probably never do.
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:33 AM   #27
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Yes. Yes I do. Thank you.

The problem was the original analogy: "would Durant be willing to play for the Kings?" Well, if he was retired, wanted to come back in the league, and the Thunder wouldn't give him an offer, then possibly. Or, if he wanted to own them, possibly. Thus the point of the post...would Phil be willing to coach a team without one of the greatest players of all-time? I'm asking if he would risk tarnishing his legacy at least a bit to coach again, whatever the circumstance.

I personally believe Jordan tarnished his legacy a bit by playing for the Wizards. He went from leading teams to the playoffs every year of his career to missing the playoffs those 2 years and having losing records, something players like Duncan will probably never do.


I think his Wizards days enhance his legacy. At 38-40 years old, he was still able to score on all the young kids of today. Scoring 40 points at 40 years old in an NBA game is a record likely to never be matched again. Think about that for a second.
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Default Re: Would Phil Jackson be willing to coach a team without a top 10 player of all time?

there is sthg you ignore tho, he coached those players before they became top 10.

Kobe only had success with phil jackson, shad had his first title with pjax...
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there is sthg you ignore tho, he coached those players before they became top 10.

Kobe only had success with phil jackson, shad had his first title with pjax...
Why do you think I ignore that?
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Default Re: Would Phil Jackson be willing to coach a team without a top 10 player of all time?

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An argument can be made that Phil Jackson made these guys top ten players of all time by dragging them to titles...
You'd have to be an idiot to insinuate that ...

Jordan had the Bulls competing in the ECF before Pippen had come into his own, and been a reliable second option, with Doug Collins as his coach.

No coach, no matter how good, can drag a team. Coaches in pro sports influence, more so in football, but in basketball it's majority the players who get it done.

Everyone runs the same stuff in basketball. Once again your subversive LeBron agenda rears its ugly head.
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