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Old 11-13-2012, 12:35 PM   #16
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Default Re: Biggest MYTH on ish: wade is still a top 5 player in nba

Right now he isn't he isn't playing well, but they are like eight games in. Sample size is too small to change rankings in my book. Like Swoosh said, Wade is a notorious slow starter and when he picks it up you will see some of the best basketball of the year.

I personally think the biggest myth is how Durant is somehow head and shoulders better than Westbrook. I think that gap has been damn near microscopic for some time and has now closed. When Westbrook fine tunes his explosiveness and uses it in a timely fashion he will be better than you guys can ever imagine.

I know the purpose of this thread is to solely prop Kobe ahead of Wade while it still looks good to do so. Enjoy the moment while it lasts I guess. I'm just going to keep listening to beiber and reading shitty in moment threads like this.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:38 PM   #17
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And Heat / Wade / LeBron haters act like the guy is chopped liver, done, no longer at very least the 2nd best SG in the league.

He notoriously starts out seasons slow, and improves as they wear on.

Yes, he's regressed in some aspects and still hasn't added a reliable jumper to his game. The only seasons he had one was in 2006, 2007 (pre-injury), 2009, and 2010.

Since 2011 he plays for the foul, which is extremely annoying. His well rounded skill isn't on the level of Kobe and Jordan in terms of foot work, post game, JUMPER to off set age and the lack of the ability to go to the hole as much.

But he's still an elite player. It also doesn't help that he's taken, on purpose, a back seat to LeBron to let him do his thing as alpha, seeing as how LeBron is still amazingly very young at 27 years old.

People have claimed this dude has fallen off every year dating back to 2007 post injury. His numbers, even with two consecutive bad games, are still pretty good. And he's still effective even when his jumper isn't on.

As I've always said, his game doesn't mesh well with LeBron's if they aren't in transition or wreaking havoc on defense together. Their games are too similar. So one has to take precendance over the other in the half court. LeBron is the better player at this point, so Wade's numbers will suffer slightly.

Everyone needs to chill. He can still play. And the Heat don't need him averaging 25 - 30 ppg anymore, they don't even need LeBron for that now. Maybe on occassion when someone isn't playing well, or someone is out of the lineup. But as it stands this Miami team is stacked.

LeBron / Wade / Bosh are all giving you between 18 - 25 points a game, on virtually every night.

Then you have Ray Allen coming, who plays better with LeBron anyway given his skill set, constant motion, and ability to open up driving lanes for LeBron coming in at SG and covering the holes in Wade's game by hitting jumpers and giving you around 15 ppg on high shooting percentages.

Wade is fine. Anyone acting like he's garbage has an agenda. Has he regressed? Yes. Does he show his age on occassion? Yes. Is he rusty? Yes. He's still an elite player, though.

If anyone is suggesting otherwise they are either a Kobe stan, trying to de-legitamize the argument between Wade and Kobe, or a LeBron stan, using Wade's SLIGHT regression as a means to prop up LeBron MORE ... acting as if the massive mark on LeBron's resume of joining two other superstars in their prime is off set by Wade playing bad makes it not exist. So they label Wade as "garbage" as if he's some Mo Williams again or something.

When anyone with half a brain knows he can still ball, and is still elite. I'd still rather have THIS D-Wade than say Westbrook.

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Old 11-13-2012, 12:41 PM   #18
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I'd agree with that ...

He's not playing like a top five player, but the ABILITY is still there.

I don't think he so. Lets face it, Wade was a guy who relied a lot on his athleticism, but now his athleticism has declined. His jump shot is inconsistent, so it's hard for him to make up for that loss of athleticism. Why do you think he tries so hard to get calls now?

To me, Wade is in that 6-10 tier, along with guys like Rondo, Love, and Melo.

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Old 11-13-2012, 12:44 PM   #19
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Right now he isn't he isn't playing well, but they are like eight games in. Sample size is too small to change rankings in my book. Like Swoosh said, Wade is a notorious slow starter and when he picks it up you will see some of the best basketball of the year.

I personally think the biggest myth is how Durant is somehow head and shoulders better than Westbrook. I think that gap has been damn near microscopic for some time and has now closed. When Westbrook fine tunes his explosiveness and uses it in a timely fashion he will be better than you guys can ever imagine.

I know the purpose of this thread is to solely prop Kobe ahead of Wade while it still looks good to do so. Enjoy the moment while it lasts I guess. I'm just going to keep listening to beiber and reading shitty in moment threads like this.

Durant is too passive. He is a better player than Westbrook, but needs to get more touches.
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I don't think he so. Lets face it, Wade was a guy who relied a lot on his athleticism, but now his athleticism has declined. His jump shot is inconsistent, so it's hard for him to make up for that loss of athleticism. Why do you think he tries so hard to get calls now?

To me, Wade is in that 5-10 tier, along with guys like Rondo, Love, and Melo.

Yea, right now, Wade seems to be in the 5-10 tier, but he's at the top of that tier.
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:46 PM   #21
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OP what are you even talking about. No one on ISH claims that he is top 5 so you are basically complaining for no reason
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Old 11-13-2012, 12:51 PM   #22
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Yea, right now, Wade seems to be in the 5-10 tier, but he's at the top of that tier.

I'd probably put Rondo and Melo above him. Love hasn't even played yet, but I think he'll also be better when he comes back.

Seriously though, Rondo has been amazing this year. He's averaging 15/13/5 on 53% shooting. His mid range jumper is much better than it ever has been and he's still getting 10+ assists every game. He's making a pretty decent case for best PG in the league.
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The only people who still believe that are Heat/Wade homers.


Yet I bet my life that if this year Lebron achieves something we will be hearing ''but he plays with two superstars, another top 3 player and one of the top PF's''. Just ask ripthekik

So I wouldn't say that Heat/Wade homers are the ones who believe this, Lebron haters and Kobe stans will be saying this again when it will fit their ''supposedly realistic'' argument to put down Lebron.

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OP what are you even talking about. No one on ISH claims that he is top 5 so you are basically complaining for no reason
What u live under a rock or something they been preaching this for the past 2 yrs
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What u live under a rock or something they been preaching this for the past 2 yrs
You are a prisoner of the moment.
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What a dumbass. The last two years includes 2011, name 3 players better than wade that year.
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What a dumbass. The last two years includes 2011, name 3 players better than wade that year.
Lebron
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Also arguably kobe and kd
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Also arguably kobe and kd
No.

Wade> Dwight and KD that year. Was also better than dirk that year, was better the entire regular season and was just as good during the playoffs. Even though he won the finals wade was also balling, arguably at a higher level. You can make a case for LBJ and kobe but both of them are debatable.
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No.

Wade> Dwight and KD that year. Was also better than dirk that year, was better the entire regular season and was just as good during the playoffs. Even though he won the finals wade was also balling, arguably at a higher level. You can make a case for LBJ and kobe but both of them are debatable.
I agree with that yr he was top five but after that he haven't sniffed that club, dude prabably going to drop out the top 10(if not already) after this year due to the way the dude declining so fast
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