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Old 11-19-2012, 05:53 PM   #181
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People taking land from other people has been happening since the beginning of human history. Get used to it.
So it's ok to be racist? I mean it has a deep and rich history, going back centuries and centuries... why is everyone whining about racism?



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Old 11-19-2012, 07:11 PM   #182
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I don't know if you had some basic history lessons or anything, but the difference in this situation between now and hundreds+ years ago is that we as the developed world believe in basic human rights now. And that the only reason Israel was allowed to exist in the first place is because they promised to their daddy that they would place nice and abide by basic human rights.

No one is saying that the genocide committed by the Americans hundreds of years ago was a right, moral thing to do.

The only valid example you gave is China. Maybe you haven't heard, but most people aren't to thrilled with what China is up to in Tibet. Then again, at least China is like:


Israel is lying through their teeth about it, because they can't afford to lose the grace of the international community. But I guess you are right: Israel indeed is the moral equivalent of China, or 1700s Britain. The Israeli people are quite underdeveloped in that regard compared to much of the rest of the world.
LAWL we all believe in them but no one in charge follows them. Just look at all the "basic human rights" USA, Russia and China AKA the top 3 nations in the UN violate on a daily basis. UN is condemning things all the time as evil and still countries do it. The people in charge don't actually give a single f*ck about basic human rights, they just pretend to in order to keep the population quiet. Basically things are exactly the same now as they've always been, only there's a little judging international organization that doesn't actually do jack shit condemning it.

Silly Euros and their belief in the United Nations

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Old 11-19-2012, 07:45 PM   #183
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LAWL we all believe in them but no one in charge follows them. Just look at all the "basic human rights" USA, Russia and China AKA the top 3 nations in the UN violate on a daily basis. UN is condemning things all the time as evil and still countries do it. The people in charge don't actually give a single f*ck about basic human rights, they just pretend to in order to keep the population quiet. Basically things are exactly the same now as they've always been, only there's a little judging international organization that doesn't actually do jack shit condemning it.

Silly Euros and their belief in the United Nations


So we understand each other then.

Just a second ago you were crying that the Israel didn't enjoy hurting the Palestinians and that peace was possible if only the Palestinians cooperated and Israel is doing everything it can to ensure peace.

And now you agree with me that Israel doesn't give a fuck about the Palestinians and doesn't give a fuck about peace. Essentially now you agree that Israel is exactly the vile, piece of shit country people in this country have been saying it is. What are you arguing in this thread for then. Lol.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:45 PM   #184
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So they stole land instead of a country, yes completely different.

No, Israel didn't "steal" land, either. The countries that surround Israel kept making war after war after war trying to wipe Israel out, and kept losing the wars. Whoops.

As for "refugees," there were 700something thousand Arab refugees from Israel, but there were also about one million Jewish refugees from Arab countries, and most of them now live in Israel.

So that's that.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:51 PM   #185
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Wow, again, it's 2012, yet we still have people trying to "prove" that Israel is wrong for even existing. It's not the 1940's anymore.

Anyway, the problem with the maps droid101 posted:

1) Time didn't start in 1946 or 1948. 80 percent of Palestine was removed already and became Jordan. These maps ignore that.

2) It was the countries that surround Israel that kept making war against Israel, and lost the wars, and kept losing land. These maps don't mention that.

3) Israel didn't control the land outside of Israel between 1948 and 1967. The Palestinian side CHOSE NOT TO FORM A STATE. Why wan't a Palestinian state formed between 1948 and 1967? Answer: Because the people who surrounded Israel didn't want one. They just kept attacking Israel.

4) These maps also neglect to mention that one million Jewish people were refugees from the entire Arab world, and they had nowhere to go and wound up going to Israel.

I can go on, but again, it's 2012 now, not the 1940's.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:52 PM   #186
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Furthermore, for an even better map, look at the entire Middle East, notice that Israel (less than 1 percent) is so tiny you can barely even see it, and then wonder why that entire region of the world keeps trying to make it even smaller
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:56 PM   #187
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Israel ain't leaving? let's see how they do without their big brother behind them. I'm sure Egipt, Siria and Jordan didn't forget the land that was stole from them.

Correct, Israel isn't leaving.

Sorry that this concept is so confusing/upsetting, that Israel plans to continue to exist, and to protect itself.

As for what you're saying, you don't even know what you're talking about. Israel actually gave back the only land they had from Egypt that Egypt wanted decades ago, the Sinai desert.

Jordan hadn't lost any land to Israel that they want back, either.

Syria does want the Golan Heights from Israel, but as I presume you've noticed, Syria has killed about 35,000 Arabs this year and isn't exactly led by the kind of people you do any favors for.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:56 PM   #188
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So we understand each other then.

Just a second ago you were crying that the Israel didn't enjoy hurting the Palestinians and that peace was possible if only the Palestinians cooperated and Israel is doing everything it can to ensure peace.

And now you agree with me that Israel doesn't give a fuck about the Palestinians and doesn't give a fuck about peace. Essentially now you agree that Israel is exactly the vile, piece of shit country people in this country have been saying it is. What are you arguing in this thread for then. Lol.
not really. Thanks for spewing another load of bullshit
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:01 PM   #189
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The obsession with trying to make Israel smaller is pretty insane.

Go look at a map of the entire region.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:04 PM   #190
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The exchange between LJJ and Nick Young sorta makes no sense. Arguing for the sake of arguing.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:06 PM   #191
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The exchange between LJJ and Nick Young sorta makes no sense. Arguing for the sake of arguing.

Logic has never been Nick Young's strong suit, eh?
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:07 PM   #192
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No, Israel didn't "steal" land, either. The countries that surround Israel kept making war after war after war trying to wipe Israel out, and kept losing the wars. Whoops.

As for "refugees," there were 700something thousand Arab refugees from Israel, but there were also about one million Jewish refugees from Arab countries, and most of them now live in Israel.

So that's that.
Exactly. You can't "steal" something that never belonged to someone else.
They(Arabs) brutally lost the wars, they have to deal with the consequences, and they have no one to blame but themselves.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:08 PM   #193
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Logic has never been Nick Young's strong suit, eh?

seriously. when has nick young ever argued for anything other than the sake of arguing?

after all these years, why would anybody expect his arguments to suddenly make sense?
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:12 PM   #194
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not really. Thanks for spewing another load of bullshit

Human rights isn't bullshit. Israel going against the Geneva convention and international law isn't bullshit. It's sad to me when ordinary people are in a bad condition because of religious nutjobs and macro-politics. I guess not for everybody.


But I understand. I have argued against the atrocities the Palestinians commit as well as the atrocities Israel commits. Some people have such an ingrained sense of partisanship that they can only recognize when one side does evil, but not the other.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:46 PM   #195
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2) It was the countries that surround Israel that kept making war against Israel, and lost the wars, and kept losing land. These maps don't mention that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day...d_Soviet_Union


http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/usaid.html

No agenda there

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