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Old 11-18-2012, 01:16 PM   #106
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This statement shows a complete lack of knowledge on social, political, or economic issues.

NO country in the world is going to be eager to take in hundreds of thousands(or millions) of refugees because of the difficulties in finding them jobs, housing, food, integrating them into society etc. There examples all over the world. Do you even know how bad the economy and unemployment rate(especially among youth) is in Egypt already?

If you're THAT ignorant on geopolitical issues you shouldnt even be participating in the conversation.


i think it would be possible with the worlds cooperation. they could be spread throughout different countries where Egypt doesn't have to bear the burden of so many at once. maybe i'm naive to think that, but think of the military and aid groups from all over the world that could move/help them, and them being treated as immigrants. thats IF everyone around the world is so sympathetic to a solution as they portray.
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:16 PM   #107
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Nick Young is actually right on the money stating that the other Islamic states want nothing to do with Palestinians.


He already pointed out Black September, when the Palestinians attempted a coup in Jordan which resulted in a massacring of Palestinians far beyond anything Israel has done.

Lebanon actually has a bunch of Palestinian refugees from earlier conflicts. They have been there for decades and are still denied any form of citizenship or legitimate status. Same story essentially in Syria, although with Syria's current status it's become more complicated.

Egypt is known to far more strongly protect their border with Gaza than their border with Israel for instance.


Key words there. As for the rest:

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This statement shows a complete lack of knowledge on social, political, or economic issues.

NO country in the world is going to be eager to take in hundreds of thousands(or millions) of refugees because of the difficulties in finding them jobs, housing, food, integrating them into society etc. There examples all over the world. Do you even know how bad the economy and unemployment rate(especially among youth) is in Egypt already?

If you're THAT ignorant on geopolitical issues you shouldnt even be participating in the conversation.
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:17 PM   #108
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i think it would be possible with the worlds cooperation. they could be spread throughout different countries where Egypt doesn't have to bear the burden of so many at once. maybe i'm naive to think that, but think of the military and aid groups from all over the world that could move/help them, and them being treated as immigrants. thats IF everyone around the world is so sympathetic to a solution as they portray.

The general arab/muslim population wouldn't accept the palestinians giving up on a state(and the land specifically) for obvious reasons. That's not realistic and shows an ignorance of how the real world works. It's just as unrealistic as saying let's carve out an Israeli state from parts of Nevada, New Mexico, and Arizona and move them all there from the trouble of the Middle East.

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Old 11-18-2012, 01:25 PM   #109
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Key words there. As for the rest:

For the rest, you give no insight whatsoever. You just ditch the systemic discrimination of Palestinian refugees by literally every Islamic nation in the vicinity as "uh, no country wants to take refugees".

Actually other countries DO take refugees. And other countries DO allow refugees to become citizens, especially if they have already lived in the country for decades. None of those countries want anything to do with Palestinians however.


And like Nick Young said, no opportunity is left untouched by them to refer to the Palestinians as "their Muslim brothers" and to point out that "All Muslims are of the same people". But when it comes to actually doing something for them? Gaza is right next to Egypt, but they haven't done a single thing for them other than speak disappointingly of Israel's treatment and smuggling in arms.

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This article explains things with great perspective:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas...ists-of-hamas/

The headline is provocative, but the actual article is good.
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:29 PM   #111
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Yes, very real people. Including Palestinian ex-pats.
Lol why would palestinian ex-pats talk shit about their own countrymen?

I dated a palestinian chick for freshman homecoming dance btw, she didn't put out but she told me some of the biz about arabs considering palestinians to be the lowest people on earth. I don't get it but so many egyptians just loved saying all these racist things against palestine whenever I would ask them about that place.
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For the rest, you give no insight whatsoever. You just ditch the systemic discrimination of Palestinian refugees by literally every Islamic nation in the vicinity as "uh, no country wants to take refugees".

Actually other countries DO take refugees. And other countries DO allow refugees to become citizens, especially if they have already lived in the country for decades. None of those countries want anything to do with Palestinians however.

Please show me recent examples of where countries with already weak economies and social unrest have taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees without having any problems and giving them full citizenship. Do you really think countries like Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Libya are equipped to take in millions of refugees?

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The general arab/muslim population wouldn't accept the palestinians giving up on a state(and the land specifically) for obvious reasons. That's not realistic and shows an ignorance of how the real world works. It's just as unrealistic as saying let's carve out an Israeli state from parts of Nevada, New Mexico, and Arizona and move them all there from the trouble of the Middle East.
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:31 PM   #113
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Please show me recent examples of where countries with already weak economies and social unrest have taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees without having any problems and giving them full citizenship. Do you really think countries like Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Libya are equipped to take in millions of refugees?

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These refugees have lived in Lebanon and Syria for decades.

They are already paying for them and they aren't going anywhere, but the refugees still aren't allowed to become citizens and contribute to society.
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Old 11-18-2012, 01:31 PM   #114
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This statement shows a complete lack of knowledge on social, political, or economic issues.

NO country in the world is going to be eager to take in hundreds of thousands(or millions) of refugees because of the difficulties in finding them jobs, housing, food, integrating them into society etc. There examples all over the world. Do you even know how bad the economy and unemployment rate(especially among youth) is in Egypt already?

If you're THAT ignorant on geopolitical issues you shouldnt even be participating in the conversation.
Egypt wouldn't want the highly educated Palestinians? Egypt can't offer even measly and paltry economic aid? One of the foundations of Islam is to give charity to your less fortunate muslim brothers. Why do they just ignore their next-door neighbors?
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Here's the real problem. Israel needs the right borders/land to be assured of it's security, but in order for the Palestinians to have the land and borders for a viable state, it compromises Israel's security.
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Egypt wouldn't want the highly educated Palestinians? Egypt can't offer even measly and paltry economic aid? One of the foundations of Islam is to give charity to your less fortunate muslim brothers. Why do they just ignore their next-door neighbors?

I can't tell if you're simplifying the issues on purpose or just a victim of your own stupidity.
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Here's the real problem. Israel needs the right borders/land to be assured of it's security, but in order for the Palestinians to have the land and borders for a viable state, it compromises Israel's security.
That's not the real problem at all. That's just a childish oversimplification of everything.
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That's just a childish oversimplification of everything.

Is that really coming from someone who wrote this:


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Please show me recent examples of where countries with already weak economies and social unrest have taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees without having any problems and giving them full citizenship. Do you really think countries like Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Libya are equipped to take in millions of refugees?

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Egypt took in a bunch of Sudanese refuges in around 06-07, a few months before I left Cairo. Then they got mad and started shooting and gassing them with a SWAT team for some reason randomly, don't really remember why.

But if they took in Sudanese, why do they refuse to take in their fellow Arabs, the ones apparently being victimized by the common enemy, the evil Americans and Jews?

Why does Egypt completely refuse to help out Palestine? They let the Sudanese in, and they hate black people too. Why not let in any Palestineans? Why guard the Gaza border with tanks and soldiers 24/7, but let in the Sudanese?
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Everything possible is done, from using the highest precision missile technology to warning Gazan civilians by mobile phone where and where not to go at specific times. As British army Colonel Richard Kemp observed during a previous round of this conflict, no army in history has taken such care to avoid harming civilians living in the same area as that in which an enemy is operating.

It is not only in Israel’s strategic interests to limit the suffering of innocent Palestinians in Gaza, it is in their moral interest. And here we come to what is perhaps the key difference between the two sides.


http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas...ists-of-hamas/


Educate yourselves people.

I have also talked personally to a guy who used to fly helicopters for the IDF. He told us how his job in the airforce was to fly low over bomb target areas towing a massive speaker phone, warning civilians the place was about to be bombed.

He said there was still one time he'll never forget, it was flying over a school, and instead of civilians running away, they all started running towards the school, got on top of the roof and started dancing. he said there was lots of children and women on the roof and they were just dancing and screaming up at the chopper.

So a chopper flies over targets, verbally warning civilians to stay away from the school cus it's about to get blown to smithereens, and a hundred or so civilians instead just go on top of the roof, waiting to die.

He just had to fly away, knowing all those dancing people were about to get blown up, and he couldn't do anything to save them. Dude started crying when he was telling this story, and he was a big 6'4 Dolph Lundgren looking Jewish dude. Pretty disturbing to hear that story as a 14 year old.

Was that all propaganda? Was he an actor? was it an evil Jew lie he was telling me and my friends?

TO me it seems Palestine just actively tries to maximize it's civilian casualties in order to gain international sympathy and turn Israel in to evil bullying villains. It's a f*cked up tactic but seems to be working, as all the Hamas sympathizers in this thread can attest to.

2500 years ago the Jews were kicked out of their homeland by the Persians. 2500 years later the Jews go back to their homeland, and the Arab muslims cannot handle it. Before Islam even existed the Jews were in Israel and Jerusalem. While the arabs were just random tribes fighting amongst eachother, living in the desert, the Jews were in Israel, living in Jerusalem.


All this shit about Jews never wanting Holocaust again and then committing a holocaust of their own against Palestine is absolute bullshit propaganda. The only "Holocaust" is the one the Palestinians are fabricating against themselves.

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