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Old 11-16-2012, 02:07 PM   #46
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Default Re: D Antoni: One of the least efficient plays in basketball is just the straight post-up

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If Nash wants to win a championship, he needs to sacrifice and play more like D. Fish. He needs to follow Kobe Bryant's lead and play as a sidekick. Kobe knows how to win....

Bottom line is you want to win a championship Nash needs to sacrifice his game.

Kobe = 5 NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS & COUNTING
Nash = 0 ....


kobe never singlehandedly led them to a championship tho, and he definitely couldn't now. i jsut can't stand the ring argument, like it automatically makes him and Phil guaranteed to win a ring. its just so flawed with no real support to the now.
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Old 11-16-2012, 02:08 PM   #47
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Default Re: D Antoni: One of the least efficient plays in basketball is just the straight post-up

Run n gun works in regular season. But in the playoffs people will figure out all your moves so they have to learn to add the post up in the games espeically in 4th quarters. That's what destroys team when people have to double, it leave someone open.
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Default Re: D Antoni: One of the least efficient plays in basketball is just the straight post-up

D'Antoni is not a bad coach. He is totally inflexible though. With the right roster he is fine. What killed me with the Knicks is he had the wrong roster and he just would not change anything he was doing at all. I can't imagine how unmotivating it must be for the players to be told to play in a style that is completely impossible for them to win in.

This roster fits him better so he'll be fine. If i was a laker fan my concern would be him running them into the ground. He plays guys way too many minutes, if they are old its a real problem.
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Old 11-16-2012, 02:13 PM   #49
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If Nash wants to win a championship, he needs to sacrifice and play more like D. Fish. He needs to follow Kobe Bryant's lead and play as a sidekick. Kobe knows how to win....

Bottom line is you want to win a championship Nash needs to sacrifice his game.

Kobe = 5 NBA CHAMPIONSHIPS & COUNTING
Nash = 0 ....

Why not use a weapon you have instead of hiding a former 2 time MVP in the corner?
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Old 11-16-2012, 02:23 PM   #50
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yeah with Shaq, and then a prime Pau with Bynum and less aged Kobe...

if you think the Lakers have looked good in halfcourt this year then by all means keep cheering for Phil.

When D'Antoni said straight post up, he didn't mean running the triangle though a passing big like Shaq or Pau

He meant when your play is to dump into into a big and they try and score. And guess what, the Lakers offense dropped off a cliff when they incorporated Bynum and tried to do that.

Look at the stats, the more time Bynum missed with injury, the better the offense played that year:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...bynuman01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/
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and thats pretty nice... but how does this solves Lakers defense... AKA Lakers main problem?
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kobe never singlehandedly led them to a championship tho, and he definitely couldn't now. i jsut can't stand the ring argument, like it automatically makes him and Phil guaranteed to win a ring. its just so flawed with no real support to the now.

Jordan beat the Monstars all by himself though. The toons was garbage!!!
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Jordan beat the Monstars all by himself though. The toons was garbage!!!

not entirely true. No Bill Murry = no win for the toonsquad. He was their x factor.
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and thats pretty nice... but how does this solves Lakers defense... AKA Lakers main problem?

what lakers are currently 8th in the league defensive efficiency.
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and thats pretty nice... but how does this solves Lakers defense... AKA Lakers main problem?

Even though I was the biggest Mike Brown supporter, the Lakers main problem is gone. The defense has been good so far. Not sure what you are talking about
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and thats pretty nice... but how does this solves Lakers defense... AKA Lakers main problem?

a healthy dwight howard will help fix the lakers defensive problems.
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D'Antoni offense, as described, is made for Dwight Howard. So I don't get what you're saying.


And any offense where there are a lot of possessions will give Kobe plenty of time with the ball. Kobe could lead the league in scoring in this offense.

No it's not.

It's virtually going to be the same thing he did in Orlando, except he probably will get even less post touches. We all see how that worked for him offensively, it wasn't the best system for him at all to thrive.

He is always going to roll to the hoop. If you don't make him the screener on the ball, he's rendered pretty much useless and just going to clog things up because he can't shoot. w

With that said, if the team had proper pieces around Dwight, it would still be an effective TEAM offense because Dwight demands a lot of attention on his rolls to the basket, but the Lakers do not have the right players to run that system at it's highest.

The Lakers, simply put, do not have a team that's suited for pick and roll basketball. Pau is not a 3 point shooter, he's not able to attack the basket off of a sagging defender because said defender will close out with a focus of making Pau shoot a long jumper - that's exactly the type of shot you want Pau taking if you're the opposing team.

Artest is not a good fit. Kobe is at his best from a triple threat, there isn't anyone better at it....but that is not conducive to "flow" basketball when Nash pitches it out to Kobe off the pick and roll.

They are big. That's their advantage. They have two of the best low post players in the league. Why would you want to play fast and run pick and rolls when you have those two? Does anyone really think playing fast will benefit them playing the Nuggets, Heat, OKC or any other young, explosive teams?

The focus should be on slowing the game down, banging it down low, executing in the half court and making life miserable for the other team on defense.
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No it's not.

It's virtually going to be the same thing he did in Orlando, except he probably will get even less post touches. We all see how that worked for him offensively, it wasn't the best system for him at all to thrive.

He is always going to roll to the hoop. If you don't make him the screener on the ball, he's rendered pretty much useless and just going to clog things up because he can't shoot. w

With that said, if the team had proper pieces around Dwight, it would still be an effective TEAM offense because Dwight demands a lot of attention on his rolls to the basket, but the Lakers do not have the right players to run that system at it's highest.

The Lakers, simply put, do not have a team that's suited for pick and roll basketball. Pau is not a 3 point shooter, he's not able to attack the basket off of a sagging defender because said defender will close out with a focus of making Pau shoot a long jumper - that's exactly the type of shot you want Pau taking if you're the opposing team.

Artest is not a good fit. Kobe is at his best from a triple threat, there isn't anyone better at it....but that is not conducive to "flow" basketball when Nash pitches it out to Kobe off the pick and roll.

They are big. That's their advantage. They have two of the best low post players in the league. Why would you want to play fast and run pick and rolls when you have those two? Does anyone really think playing fast will benefit them playing the Nuggets, Heat, OKC or any other young, explosive teams?

The focus should be on slowing the game down, banging it down low, executing in the half court and making life miserable for the other team on defense.


Here's an excellent pickn'roll play the Lakers could run that would put everyone at their strengths.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hPSpvdpnxUw#t=12 0s

There are plenty of pickn'roll options that doesn't require Pau to be a 3pt shooter, he's the best passing big man in the league.
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No it's not.

It's virtually going to be the same thing he did in Orlando, except he probably will get even less post touches. We all see how that worked for him offensively, it wasn't the best system for him at all to thrive.

He is always going to roll to the hoop. If you don't make him the screener on the ball, he's rendered pretty much useless and just going to clog things up because he can't shoot. w

With that said, if the team had proper pieces around Dwight, it would still be an effective TEAM offense because Dwight demands a lot of attention on his rolls to the basket, but the Lakers do not have the right players to run that system at it's highest.

The Lakers, simply put, do not have a team that's suited for pick and roll basketball. Pau is not a 3 point shooter, he's not able to attack the basket off of a sagging defender because said defender will close out with a focus of making Pau shoot a long jumper - that's exactly the type of shot you want Pau taking if you're the opposing team.

Artest is not a good fit. Kobe is at his best from a triple threat, there isn't anyone better at it....but that is not conducive to "flow" basketball when Nash pitches it out to Kobe off the pick and roll.

They are big. That's their advantage. They have two of the best low post players in the league. Why would you want to play fast and run pick and rolls when you have those two? Does anyone really think playing fast will benefit them playing the Nuggets, Heat, OKC or any other young, explosive teams?

The focus should be on slowing the game down, banging it down low, executing in the half court and making life miserable for the other team on defense.

Looks like you know nothing about the game of basketball.

Carry on
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