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Old 11-20-2012, 03:03 PM   #1
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A Deadly Divide Between Red and Blue

"The 10 states with the highest fatality rates |Automobile crashes| all were red, while all but one of the 10 lowest fatality states were blue."



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I found this interesting.
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Old 11-20-2012, 03:10 PM   #2
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I think obviously, a prime factor in all this, is that many of the states near the bottom with the lowest per capita car-crash deaths is a result of much of said state's population using public transportation VS personal automobiles.

DC for example ranked the lowest. DC has a highly used public trans system. Wyoming, the highest, has the lowest population density minus Alaska, an extremely remote state, absolutely no public trans network(s), rugged terrain, etc. - are obviously contributing factors.

Why Mississippi is so high, or Arkansas, that's a little more of an enigma.
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I live in New Mexico. 90% of the roads in the state are 75mph. (Not an actual statistic.) When I drive from where I live to Albuquerque, I go through Santa Fe, and it's all one road, 3 hours, 75mph almost the entire drive.

It's really easy to fall asleep behind the wheel. Also, the sun always seems to be right in your face - fewer trees.

Oh, and I'd imagine it's easier to have fatal car wrecks on mountain roads, which are mostly in red states.

I don't think this is because blue state people are happier than red state people, which is probably what is implied in the OP. I think it's because it's harder to die in a car crash when you're moving 24mph through New York City than on a 3 hour drive to Albuquerque going 90. - or whatever. Most red states are that expansive.

I've spent time in Kentucky, and not only are the speed limits pretty high on a lot of the roads there, but they're also 2-lane way too often, and way too narrow way too often, and with curves in the road you simply can't make going 63mph, and with no sign to tell you to slow down. That's the closest I've come to wrecking in my life was on a KY road.

Public transportation also has a lot to do with it. But mainly transit across vast distances at high speeds I'm pretty sure are what accounts for this.

I wonder how violent crime rates line up.

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Ironic how Massachusetts and New York, the two states with the worst perceived driving reputations of this nation, have the lowest death rates.
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Ironic how Massachusetts and New York, the two states with the worst perceived driving reputations of this nation, have the lowest death rates.

I've heard from many people what you just said, and more notably, working in the auto [insurance] industry, historical data shows that many states in the Northeast actually have more auto accidents, incidents, claims, etc. than most rural and mountainous states out west (this is all based on per capita as well). However, even with less accidents in these red states, when the accidents actually occur they're much more likely to result in a fatality.

That's an interesting enigma too.
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Why is your avatar 30s you weirdo? Those things will ruin your life; i hope youre not just some young kid who thinks its cool to have drugs in their avatar
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I'm actually surprised Texas is that low...our highways are the fckin autobahn

and after midnight on weekends it is like a druken nascar race out there...
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Ironic how Massachusetts and New York, the two states with the worst perceived driving reputations of this nation, have the lowest death rates.
when I think of NY drivers I picture just cab drivers...and no one actually owning a car
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when I think of NY drivers I picture just cab drivers...and no one actually owning a car
When I was in Italy a few years ago I heard that they actually have fewer crashes - not death rates but just crashes - per capita than in the US. If you think NY cab drivers are scary, you have seen nothing until you've been to Italy and its 8 ft. wide roads and CRAZY-ASS TERRIFYING drivers. But they hardly ever crash.

I think that is explained just like the OP is: you have to always be alert in condensed areas when driving - especially condensed areas that are known for erratic drivers - NY and Mass. have been mentioned, and I grew up right outside DC and believe me that's tough as hell too. People are just better, more conditioned drivers in those areas.

I also think driving a manual as opposed to an automatic keeps you more alert. I would be willing to bet that manual drivers have a disproportionately low accident rate, despite that fast, risky cars purchased by aggressive drivers are more likely to be manual. Just a hunch.
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Why is your avatar 30s you weirdo? Those things will ruin your life; i hope youre not just some young kid who thinks its cool to have drugs in their avatar

That isn't the subject of this thread. I heard it to the grapevine gambling can ruin someone's life. Pornography, nicotine, adrenaline junkies who base jump off the side of cliffs, athletes on the juice, homosexuals who have unprotected sex with multiple partners, etc.

There are many vices in the world. 100% of us are subject to one or another. Let bygones be bygones, weirdo.
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I'm actually surprised Texas is that low...our highways are the fckin autobahn

and after midnight on weekends it is like a druken nascar race out there...

Yeah, I figured Texas would be higher. Perhaps your state has a good highway protection program; perhaps they're more strict on their laws and enforce them more effectively. Tougher on seat-belt laws. TX is better off economically than many neighboring states such as MS, AR, etc. who are high on that list, and being better off economically equates to more *new* model vehicles being driven. Newer vehicles yield safer crash tests, more airbags, etc.

You guys are pretty tough on your DUI/DWI laws, right? I know we're fairly harsh here in North Carolina when it comes to DUIs, whereas for example in South Carolina, they're not (not as tough as NC anyway) and there's approx 10 or so states between the two in the list above.

I'm not saying DUI/DWI laws are the only or even biggest factor, just saying I'm sure it plays a part. Data clearly shows (and common sense tells us) when alcohol is involved in conjunction with an accident, the likelihood of a fatality is unequivocally amplified.

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When I was in Italy a few years ago I heard that they actually have fewer crashes - not death rates but just crashes - per capita than in the US. If you think NY cab drivers are scary, you have seen nothing until you've been to Italy and its 8 ft. wide roads and CRAZY-ASS TERRIFYING drivers. But they hardly ever crash.

I think that is explained just like the OP is: you have to always be alert in condensed areas when driving - especially condensed areas that are known for erratic drivers - NY and Mass. have been mentioned, and I grew up right outside DC and believe me that's tough as hell too. People are just better, more conditioned drivers in those areas.

I also think driving a manual as opposed to an automatic keeps you more alert. I would be willing to bet that manual drivers have a disproportionately low accident rate, despite that fast, risky cars purchased by aggressive drivers are more likely to be manual. Just a hunch.

I don't have any direct data to prove this, but I'm pretty sure another contributing factor is that many of the states in the Northeast are more strict when it comes to teenage drivers. They're more serious about texting while driving, and I'm pretty sure on average a teenage obtaining a drivers license is a more strenuous process - whereas in many of the states in the south and west, the texting while driving laws aren't as enforced and it's easier for a teen to obtain a license.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver's_license_in_the_United_States

You can get your license at the age of 15 in the following states:

Idaho
Kansas
Montana (ranked 4th highest)
New Mexico (ranked 11th highest)
South Carolina (ranked 8th highest)


In North Dakota (14th highest) and South Dakota (9th highest) you can get your DL at the age of 14!

In New Jersey you have to be 17 (5th lowest), and in many of the Northeast states, you have to be 16 and 6 months.

I know it seems trivial, but maybe those additional 6 months could possibly save several lives.
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That isn't the subject of this thread. I heard it to the grapevine gambling can ruin someone's life. Pornography, nicotine, adrenaline junkies who base jump off the side of cliffs, athletes on the juice, homosexuals who have unprotected sex with multiple partners, etc.

There are many vices in the world. 100% of us are subject to one or another. Let bygones be bygones, weirdo.
what about heterosexuals who have unprotected sex with multiple partners?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver's_license_in_the_United_States

You can get your license at the age of 15 in the following states:

Idaho
Kansas
Montana (ranked 4th highest)
New Mexico (ranked 11th highest)
South Carolina (ranked 8th highest)


In North Dakota (14th highest) and South Dakota (9th highest) you can get your DL at the age of 14!

In New Jersey you have to be 17 (5th lowest), and in many of the Northeast states, you have to be 16 and 6 months.

I know it seems trivial, but maybe those additional 6 months could possibly save several lives.

It's not necessarily how early you get it (though too early does have an impact) but how long you drive. A 21 year old with no experience is worse than a 21 year old with 5 years of driving under his belt generally.
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