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Old 11-21-2012, 02:34 AM   #46
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Default Re: Kobe is the best player on the Lakers, not Dwight.

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Pretty sure there were stretches of the game where Dwight was the only starter on the floor with the shitty Lakers bench.

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Quit using the stupid +/- stat, it's worthless. Howard plays 6-10 minutes with 4 bench player to start the 2nd and 4th quarters, and our bench STINKS besides Hill; on both ends.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:35 AM   #47
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Nets = 6-3
Pacers = 5-7



just saying

I don't believe in the Pacers. As long as Granger remains arguably their best player and Paul George still remains outside an all star caliber player I can't see them making serious noise.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:35 AM   #48
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Default Re: Kobe is the best player on the Lakers, not Dwight.

Who ran the offense? Kobe
Who controlled the defense? Dwight
Who took over the game? Kobe
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:36 AM   #49
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Let me correct it you ride kobe's jock before this season happy?
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:36 AM   #50
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THANK YOU.
Quit using the stupid +/- stat, it's worthless. Howard plays 6-10 minutes with 4 bench player to start the 2nd and 4th quarters, and our bench STINKS besides Hill; on both ends.

It's quite worthless, this isn't goddamn hockey.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:36 AM   #51
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Dwight's +/- was -4

Bryant's +/- was +20

That has more to do with rotations. Dwight plays 12+ minutes with the bench where as Kobe plays almost none.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:36 AM   #52
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Default Re: Kobe is the best player on the Lakers, not Dwight.

Kobe went through a stretch not doing anything. His 4th qtr was alright. Did most of his damage in the first half (or first qtr rather). POG = Dwight, albeit it's close.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:36 AM   #53
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Who ran the offense? Kobe
Who controlled the defense? Dwight
Who took over the game? REFS

fixed.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:37 AM   #54
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Nets = 6-3
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just saying
Good thing last season never happened and this season is over and you're not a retard that doesn't use +/- to prove something
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:37 AM   #55
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Kobe was pretty mediocre after the 1st quarter, IMO.
Why some people would pick Kobe tonight is because he hit some big free throws to seal the deal; Dwight was a big liability at the line.

Dwight had a great game though; 20 points, 15 boards & 4 blocks?
His poor free throws really hurt us from putting this team away earlier. I mean we shot below 40% I believe from the line and took 25+ free throws? If we shot 70%, we would have won by double digits tonight.
Yeah, Kobe definitely carried the team in the first quarter and hit some incredible shots. Didn't really do much until late, though, with some nice playmaking and hitting big FT's down the stretch. It's not like he had a bad game or anything.

I probably shouldn't have worded it "poor FT shooting aside" because that was was a big liability down the stretch, but it's sort of similar to the Shaq/Kobe days where Shaq was more impactful (although Kobe was still really good or great) the first three quarters but Kobe had to step-up and seal the deal late due to Shaq being a huge FT liability.

Can't remember who the game was against (may have been the Mavericks game) where I thought Dwight was more impactful overall, but he was horrendous from the FT line on a lot of attempts. Don't now if it single-handily cost them the game since Dallas won by a fairly comfortable margin, but it certainly didn't help.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:38 AM   #56
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That has more to do with rotations. Dwight plays 12+ minutes with the bench where as Kobe plays almost none.
This but remember this is ISH
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:39 AM   #57
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Default Re: Kobe is the best player on the Lakers, not Dwight.

Just for fun, it's worth throwing out there that YES (Yankees channel, broadcasts Nets games in the NYC area) actually picked Pau as the player of the game.

Anyhow, I don't have a dog in this, but in terms of impact ('best' player in a vacuum means little to me tbh) you gotta go with Dwight just looking at the team as a whole. Thus far though it's been Kobe, though we'll have to see how sustainable his insane level of play is (plus Dwight was pretty shafty defensively during the first few games with Mike Brown) as the season progresses.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:41 AM   #58
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So Dwight playing 10-12 minutes of the game with Duhon, Meeks, Jamison, and Hill compared to almost zero for Kobe means nothing when talking about +/-?
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:41 AM   #59
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Default Re: Kobe is the best player on the Lakers, not Dwight.

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Just for fun, it's worth throwing out there that YES (Yankees channel, broadcasts Nets games in the NYC area) actually picked Pau as the player of the game.

Anyhow, I don't have a dog in this, but in terms of impact ('best' player in a vacuum means little to me tbh) you gotta go with Dwight just looking at the team as a whole. Thus far though it's been Kobe, though we'll have to see how sustainable his insane level of play is (plus Dwight was pretty shafty defensively during the first few games with Mike Brown) as the season progresses.

Agreed. So far Kobe. Will see if he can sustain this play, god knows beans has many miles on those old legs.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:42 AM   #60
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Default Re: Kobe is the best player on the Lakers, not Dwight.

I'm not really sure how people can say Kobe was the better player tonight. Are people really that biased?

23pts 15reb 3ast 4blk on 73% vs 23pts 4reb 5ast on 53%

Dwight was terrible from the line(7-19), but was still the better player overall, especially when you consider both sides of the ball.
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