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Old 11-29-2012, 01:52 PM   #31
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Toronto doesn't do this? Only if the GM values Bargnani as Lebron.
Bryan Colangelo values him more than Lebron.


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Toronto is in the playoffs with this...shit, they should throw in Terrence Ross too. Still super worth it.

I hope we're not playoff worthy, and I see no reason why the Raps would need to throw in Ross. As useless as that pick was for the Raptors when they picked him, there is still no reason he should be a throw-in. Rookie scale contract, decent player, some potential, type of player Raps should have on a terrible team...
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:07 PM   #32
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knowing the lakers front office I think they will get Josh Smith + Korver or morrow
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:27 PM   #33
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Bryan Colangelo values him more than Lebron.




I hope we're not playoff worthy, and I see no reason why the Raps would need to throw in Ross. As useless as that pick was for the Raptors when they picked him, there is still no reason he should be a throw-in. Rookie scale contract, decent player, some potential, type of player Raps should have on a terrible team...



Team can be a very good team next year if Gasol plays like Gasol. Gasol is one of the best players in the world. If he plays like the guy in Memphis or the guy from 07-11, or the guy in the Olympics...that's a win. And he's shown no signs of physical decline. He's just like a bitch.


And playing well in Toronto makes him an elite player again, with only one year left on his contract.



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Derozan and Bargnani? Where do I sign up as a Raps fan?

I don't care for Gasol, but getting rid of a bad contract in Derozan and a bad player in Bargnani is worth it...



DeRozan has played well this season and I see him as a quality starter, but his contract is still a big question mark so I can understand this...He's not a great shooter but he can learn from his idol. If you can get Gasol, it's worth it...assuming he's not a bitch.

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Old 11-29-2012, 02:31 PM   #34
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:38 PM   #35
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Team can be a very good team next year if Gasol plays like Gasol. Gasol is one of the best players in the world. If he plays like the guy in Memphis or the guy from 07-11, or the guy in the Olympics...that's a win. And he's shown no signs of physical decline. He's just like a bitch.


And playing well in Toronto makes him an elite player again, with only one year left on his contract.


DeRozan has played well this season and I see him as a quality starter, but his contract is still a big question mark so I can understand this...He's not a great shooter but he can learn from his idol. If you can get Gasol, it's worth it...assuming he's not a bitch.

Gasol is past being elite. He can still be a very good player if utilized, but him admitting about knee pain and all that stuff, it's definitely sign of physical decline. I don't care for Gasol, I don't want Raptors to win. We need high ceiling players in Toronto; we don't have any except Valanciunas right now. Shabbaz, Wiggins, Noel, etc needed in Toronto. Sadly, if we don't get a Top 3 pick this, we have no pick.

Also, I'm not sure if Derozan is a quality starter. I think he's a solid rotation player on a good team. He doesn't have handles to beat his man, and does not do anything defensively to warrant playing if he isn't scoring. He also doesn't rebound the well either. He's either scoring or a negative on the team...
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:10 PM   #36
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Gasol is past being elite. He can still be a very good player if utilized, but him admitting about knee pain and all that stuff, it's definitely sign of physical decline. I don't care for Gasol, I don't want Raptors to win. We need high ceiling players in Toronto; we don't have any except Valanciunas right now. Shabbaz, Wiggins, Noel, etc needed in Toronto. Sadly, if we don't get a Top 3 pick this, we have no pick.

Also, I'm not sure if Derozan is a quality starter. I think he's a solid rotation player on a good team. He doesn't have handles to beat his man, and does not do anything defensively to warrant playing if he isn't scoring. He also doesn't rebound the well either. He's either scoring or a negative on the team...

DeMar is currently an above average starter. Scoring wise he's averaging 18PPG on good percentages, rebounding the ball fairly well at nearly 5 per game, and has been making some nice passes out of the double team and off his drives. He also doesn't force his offence very much, although he does need to be more aggressive and trying to dunk on people instead of laying it up around the contact.

I agree he isn't quite worth his contract, not yet anyways.. but he is not as bad as your making him out to be.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:18 PM   #37
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That'd be awesome since it'd torpedo LA even more. Won't happen though.
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He looked alright in the Princeton but even then he was hot/cold (especially when most of shots come/came from 10-15 ft). Sorry to say PG fans but his role has to be more defined or else LAL should move him/start getting Dwight more touches in the post.

To sum things up, Nash being out has created a big hole in the Lakers rotations. You can only roll with guys like Morris and Duhon for so long before it starts becoming unwatchable.

All in all, I wouldn't trade him for Bargs. Wait till Nash comes back. See what he brings to the table. Ya'll are still an unfinished product.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:33 PM   #40
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DeMar is currently an above average starter. Scoring wise he's averaging 18PPG on good percentages, rebounding the ball fairly well at nearly 5 per game, and has been making some nice passes out of the double team and off his drives. He also doesn't force his offence very much, although he does need to be more aggressive and trying to dunk on people instead of laying it up around the contact.

I agree he isn't quite worth his contract, not yet anyways.. but he is not as bad as your making him out to be.

18 PPG in 37 minutes at 44% isn't anything great. Again, on a good team, I'm not sure he starts, and even if he does, no way he sees anything more than 30 minutes of game time. Also, when a good perimeter defender is put on him, he disappears. The fact that he doesn't take and make 3-pointers is another negative from your shooting guard. 4.7 rebs in 37 minutes isn't good either but he has improved on it over his career numbers, so I suppose that's good...
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:38 PM   #41
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Offensively the Lakers would be incredible. PG play would be consistently good not only game to game but minute to minute with Steve Nash and Jose Calderon; plus the floor would be spaced enough for people to attack the paint while still giving Dwight Howard room to operate.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:19 PM   #42
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The trade makes a lot of sense if you believe D'Antoni doesn't care about rebounds and interior d and just loves a jumpshooting 4. Of course weak d and rebounding is not a formula for winning Championships.
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How about...

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bwc5uq9

Detroit gets rid of their cancers and big contracts while getting a veteran all star to help their young core, Lakers get younger and add much needed athleticism, 3 point shooting and toughness.

That's not a good trade for Detroit. They already have Monroe, who is a lot like Gasol. They just drafted Drummond to play next to him. There's no way they take on Gasol's salary. Joe D doesn't believe in contracts like that. Remember back when Boozer was rumored to go to Detroit rather than Chicago? It all came down to money, and Joe D doesn't like to pay players over 12 million per season.

I'm the one that said a while back that Charlie V would be a great fit next to Dwight. He has size and he shoots the 3 as good as anybody. He could do what Ryan Anderson did next to him last season. Charlie's contract isn't bad either. The Pistons recently started playing him again too. I'm guessing it was to showcase him a bit because there's a good chance he will be traded. He's been playing well. I could see him in a Lakers uniform. There's just no players on the Lakers that Detroit would want (outside of the obvious superstars). It would take a 3rd team to get involved (maybe Houston???).
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That's not a good trade for Detroit. They already have Monroe, who is a lot like Gasol. They just drafted Drummond to play next to him. There's no way they take on Gasol's salary. Joe D doesn't believe in contracts like that. Remember back when Boozer was rumored to go to Detroit rather than Chicago? It all came down to money, and Joe D doesn't like to pay players over 12 million per season.

I'm the one that said a while back that Charlie V would be a great fit next to Dwight. He has size and he shoots the 3 as good as anybody. He could do what Ryan Anderson did next to him last season. Charlie's contract isn't bad either. The Pistons recently started playing him again too. I'm guessing it was to showcase him a bit because there's a good chance he will be traded. He's been playing well. I could see him in a Lakers uniform. There's just no players on the Lakers that Detroit would want (outside of the obvious superstars). It would take a 3rd team to get involved (maybe Houston???).

fcuk detroit. its a horrid trade for the lakers

charlie V?? Maggette??? jesus
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