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Old 11-29-2012, 10:52 PM   #16
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

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The Bulls don't beat the Sonics without Dennis.

They dont win a title any season in second three peat without him.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:53 PM   #17
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

He played a lower amount of minutes than usual in the playoffs (only 32.4 minutes per game in the playoffs during the Bulls three-peat).

His playoff per 36 minutes numbers are still good:

1996: 14.3 reb
1997: 10.8 reb
1998: 12.4 reb



Most stars get around 39 minutes per game in the playoffs...some stars even get up to 43 or 44 minutes per game in the playoffs.

Gasol has been given 39.1 minutes per game in the playoffs as a Laker.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:55 PM   #18
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

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Dennis Rodman was so overrated to have been called one of the "Big 3" of the 2nd three-peat bulls, this is what Rodman averaged in 1996, 1997, and 1998 playoffs:

1996:
7.5ppg, 13.7rpg, 2.1apg, 48.5%FG

1997:
4.2ppg, 8.4rpg, 1.4apg, 37.0%FG

1998:
4.9ppg, 11.8rpg, 2.0apg, 37.1%FG


And here is what Pau Gasol averaged in the 2008, 2009, and 2010 playoffs:

2008:
16.9ppg, 9.3rpg, 4apg, 53%FG

2009:
18.3rpg, 10.8rpg, 2.5apg, 58%FG

2010:
19.6ppg, 11.1rpg, 3.5apg, 53.9%FG


The second three-peat Bulls has the WEAKEST frontcourt in the history of NBA out of all championship teams, and it's amazing how they could of threepeated against opponents such as Shaquille O'Neal, Shawn Kemp, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning


Try harder or how about actually making comments about games you have watched instead of making decisions sole on stats.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:59 PM   #19
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

Rodman energy, hustle plays, defense and rebounding really helped the Bulls into wins. He seemed like their most important player at times due to them not converting on the offense at times. I don't think he was overrated.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:07 PM   #20
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

Is there really an idiot comparing Gasol to Rodman.. Really?

Rodman was the best rebounder of all time.. He's also one of the best defender of all time top 5 at worst.. He anchored the bulls defense better than any center in the league that time.. The only player who cant stop Prime Shaq literally.. And this idiot dare to compare him to Gasol, the softest pf of all time that played no defense at all.. Even you're a moron, please show some respect for Rodman dude..
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

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They dont win a title any season in second three peat without him.
This

Jordan did not do it alone, and neither did Kobe or Lebron. Sheesh. Team defense >>>>
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:43 PM   #22
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

If Dennis Rodman of the 2nd three-peat Bulls was playing in the NBA right now today he'd be the best defensive player in the League, he'd be winning the NBA rebounding titles, and if he was on any kind of contender he'd be headed at least to the Conference Finals. Rodman had indescribable impact.

His defense was otherworldly at times. He ain't the best rebounder of all time like a lot of people claim, but he is right up there at the top.

This thread is just wrong on every level. The idea that Pau Gasol has more impact on a team than Dennis Rodman is nutty. Rodman just ate opposing teams at times. Using stats to talk about Dennis Rodman is like using stats to talk about Bill Russell or Robert Parish.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:46 PM   #23
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

Basic per-game stats used as the primary argument?? Flawless.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:56 PM   #24
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

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Dennis Rodman was so overrated to have been called one of the "Big 3" of the 2nd three-peat bulls, this is what Rodman averaged in 1996, 1997, and 1998 playoffs:

1996:
7.5ppg, 13.7rpg, 2.1apg, 48.5%FG

1997:
4.2ppg, 8.4rpg, 1.4apg, 37.0%FG

1998:
4.9ppg, 11.8rpg, 2.0apg, 37.1%FG


And here is what Pau Gasol averaged in the 2008, 2009, and 2010 playoffs:

2008:
16.9ppg, 9.3rpg, 4apg, 53%FG

2009:
18.3rpg, 10.8rpg, 2.5apg, 58%FG

2010:
19.6ppg, 11.1rpg, 3.5apg, 53.9%FG


The second three-peat Bulls has the WEAKEST frontcourt in the history of NBA out of all championship teams, and it's amazing how they could of threepeated against opponents such as Shaquille O'Neal, Shawn Kemp, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo Mourning

LIke others have mentioned, what he brought can't be measured with stats.

Having said thatů.

While his opposition played well against him, he used to take them out of their game from time to time (not always). He made them work hard. But he wasn't a defensive stopper.

It will sound very harsh for some reading, but one can even argue that he was a glorified role player (see Haslem). His size didn't aid in his defensive impact, but his toughness did intimidate some players from driving to the lane. But it still isn't as a 7 footer that's standing there even if they don't necessarily block shots.

Some have alluded to this, and I usually say that it is MJ's greatest yet most overlooked achievementů.

He won 6 rings without a dominant big man. That's a huge deal which should get praised more.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:59 PM   #25
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

dude wasnt an all-star but he had so much intangibles that didnt make the boxscore besides his rebounds. defense, lack of mental errors, being a pest to the opposing team's frontcourt, deflections, effort, and being an oddball kept most of his teammates on their toes. i alway sremember that story that phil sent rodman to atlantic city and dragged kerr and buechler with them and made the team much better chemistry wise.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:03 AM   #26
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but one can even argue that he was a glorified role player (see Haslem)
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

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LIke others have mentioned, what he brought can't be measured with stats.

Having said thatů.

While his opposition played well against him, he used to take them out of their game from time to time (not always). He made them work hard. But he wasn't a defensive stopper.

It will sound very harsh for some reading, but one can even argue that he was a glorified role player (see Haslem). His size didn't aid in his defensive impact, but his toughness did intimidate some players from driving to the lane. But it still isn't as a 7 footer that's standing there even if they don't necessarily block shots.

Some have alluded to this, and I usually say that it is MJ's greatest yet most overlooked achievementů.

He won 6 rings without a dominant big man. That's a huge deal which should get praised more.
LOL.
When Haslem gets DPOY or a rebounding title compare those guys.
No wait. Just when Haslem gets an All-Star team. A 2nd string NBA Defensive Team. Oh wait.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:12 AM   #28
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Default Re: Dennis Rodman on the 2nd three-peat Bulls was so overrated

Except you forgot to mention that Rodman is the all time greatest in something that cannot be measured by stats: on-ball defense. That 2nd 3-peat happened, in large part, due to how well Rodman could lock down ANY player on the floor. Anyone from the bigger centers to Stockton and Malone to younger guys like Hill (hard to call him "younger" considering how old he is now...). He could guard all five positions better than anyone in the league.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:13 AM   #29
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LOL.
When Haslem gets DPOY or a rebounding title compare those guys.
No wait. Just when Haslem gets an All-Star team. A 2nd string NBA Defensive Team. Oh wait.

I didn't say he was, re-read.
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Old 11-30-2012, 12:15 AM   #30
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Except you forgot to mention that Rodman is the all time greatest in something that cannot be measured by stats: on-ball defense. That 2nd 3-peat happened, in large part, due to how well Rodman could lock down ANY player on the floor. Anyone from the bigger centers to Stockton and Malone to younger guys like Hill (hard to call him "younger" considering how old he is now...). He could guard all five positions better than anyone in the league.

He sure as f*ck didn't lock down any of the bigs he faced during their title runs.

He did a respectable job on them, but nowhere near LOCK down.

He did do a great job in throwing them off their game with his mental games tho.
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