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Old 12-03-2012, 10:08 PM   #31
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lets face it patrick stewart was born to play xavier.
Agreed.

Like Snipes for Blade, Downer Jr for Stark, Reeves for Superman, Bale for Batman, Hemsworth for Thor

I thought Topher Grace would've been perfect for Spider-Man
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:41 PM   #32
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But also, list something else you consider to be massively overrated. Another one for me is all Marvel Studio movies not the original Iron Man, and especially the Avengers.

False, they're not overrated, though I can't really understand what you're trying to say.
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:48 PM   #33
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False, they're not overrated, though I can't really understand what you're trying to say.
Iron Man isn't, the rest of them suck.
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:56 PM   #34
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Sex is overrated.
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:08 PM   #35
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No, I'm talking films.

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The only Marvel films that can compete are Iron Man, Blade and to some people (not me) Spider-Man 2, X2 and to youngins ... the uber-dumb Avengers.

DC also paved the way for the comic book movie genre. Even if you don't like the films, much like Marvel characters themselves, they owe everything to these two films:

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And they have the superior animated films, like you said.

DC has had it's embarrassments: Superman III, Superman IV, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, Catwoman, Superman Returns

Green Lantern (though no worse than Thor or CA: First Avenger)

Marvel has had even more: Howard the Duck, original Captain America, original Punisher, Thomas Jane Punisher, Punisher: War Zone, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Ghost Rider 2, Elektra, Spider-Man 3, Blade 3, HULK, X3 Last Stand, Wolverine Origins, and the redundant and stupid Iron Man 2 (IMO) Captain America: FA

They all suck. They have Iron Man, and Blade. The rest if they don't suck are cookie cutter and AVERAGE at BEST.

Iron Man 2 was good, Thor was rushed but still a good movie, and the Cap movie had plenty of heart. Superhero movies can still be good if they're not all dark and serious like the Batman movies. Marvel made their movies fun, but a bunch of them have been disappointing (Spiderman 3, the Fantastic Four movies, Ghost Rider films, Daredevil and such).

I was watching the original Superman the other day and that movie is cheesy as fuck. How can you praise that but then shit on well done movies that are nowhere near as cheesy as that movie? You must be a DC fanboy or something.
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:25 PM   #36
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I'd really like to see a well-done Hulk movie. Bruce Banner is such a great character and has the potential for a great movie.
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:33 PM   #37
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Iron Man 2 was good
No it wasn't. The character starts off as a regressed version of the improvement at the end of the first film. Which in itself makes no sense.

There is a redundant plot point of Stark's Arc Reactor poisoning him (the same thing the shrapnel nearing his heart does) ... thus contrived.

Stark has a ridiculous fight in an armored suit v.s. his friend. Who happens to be able to steal and use a suit without an prior experience (it took Stark a whole act to master it in the first film and he built the damn thing) ... how he uses the suit I have no idea. It was built for Tony, and can only be powered by the ARC REACTOR in his chest.

In the first film we see that Stane could only make his suit work by stealing the arc reactor from Tony's chest.

Whiplash is under used, the love story is rushed, the whole thing is cheesy and tongue in cheek. We get a pointless Scarlett Johansen character, who brings nothing to the table apart from meaningless action scene and a connection tot he Avengers.

The film was rushed into production, and the studio pushed too hard for the Avengers agenda plot point. This is why the director, and even RDJ have gone on record having stated they felt like con men when promoting it, and thought it wasn't very good.

The film is sloppy. A mess of ideas with no coherent story, other than to promote the Avengers movie. It was a cash grab, residual sequel to an actual quality film.

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Thor was rushed but still a good movie
Hardly, it was average at best. It can't even take itself seriously ... and it acknowledges this premise quite often in the film.

There is ridiculous melodrama in Asgard, and absurdity when they come to New Mexico. "The Rainbow Bridge" ... don't make me

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the Cap movie had plenty of heart.
No. It had Stanely Tucci in the first act who delivers, and at times entertaining Tommy Lee Jones, then the film nose dives from there.

With it's ridiculous CGI on skinny bobble head Rogers, painfully obvious green screen, goofy looking Red Skull, wooden lead actor (and a protagonist who makes Clark Kent look like an interesting bad boy) ... it even features a horrendous 80's montage used to display the entire WWII combat in less than a few minutes.

How do you have CA fighting in WWII and not address Nazi's thoroughly? Hell, the comics even had the balls to do that when the character was created.

That ridiculous cheap video game level inspired train sequence. Losing his best friend, and forgotten about in less than a scene.

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Superhero movies can still be good if they're not all dark and serious like the Batman movies.
I didn't say they had to be dark, mysterious, and bleak like noir inspired Batman movies.

They can be interesting, thought provoking, and not cookie cutter commercials for some other potential product.

Hell, the CA movie doesn't even have a resolution. It's just a lead in for the next movie. It's pathetic.


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was watching the original Superman the other day and that movie is cheesy
It's cheesy in parts because film makers had yet to truly take these characters seriously as real drama pieces, where statements could be made.

The thrill of the first Superman, the first Batman, and the first Spider-Man was purely the fun of seeing these characters on screen. They were tongue in cheek, but didn't tap the true potential of the characters.

But S:TM delivered the epic, grand, formulaic origin for a superhero film. It had great performances from Reeve, Hackman, Stamp, and Brando. The script on page just didn't treat things seriously enough yet.

But it kick started the entire genre on screen. Show some respect. We will get the serious, modern, contemporary Superman movie we deserve next summer.


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How can you praise that but then shit on well done movies that are nowhere near as cheesy as that movie? You must be a DC fanboy or something.
Nope, did you miss the parts where I praise Iron Man and Blade?

This is the point. Marvel Studios plays it safe. They give mass marketed, cookie cutter product that look to deliver on average to the average movie goer a good time. And for the most part, they do.

Like I said, average movies. They bat for average (even though technically they have more abominations than DC movies) ... DC swings for the fences with their artistic integrity.

That's why I respect their films, more. No lead ins for the next film that has already been planned on a planogram in a marketing studio's office. They put everything they have, with unique vision into each film.

And like I said, the greatest Marvel Studio film isn't as good as the worst of the Nolan trilogy. And DC has been more influential. They built the entire genre on screen, allowing for credible competition to even get off the ground. Then through Batman Begins, they laid the foundation for the more serious, in depth, realistic interpretations of these characters on screen.

You never heard of "re-boot" before Batman Begins.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:03 AM   #38
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No it wasn't. The character starts off as a regressed version of the improvement at the end of the first film. Which in itself makes no sense.

The movie isn't fresh in my mind so I can't argue every point. I don't quite remember the beginning, but Tony is obviously a flawed person, so why would it make no sense? At the end of the first movie he says: "I'm just not the hero type. Clearly. With this laundry list of character defects, all the mistakes I've made, largely public."

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There is a redundant plot point of Stark's Arc Reactor poisoning him (the same thing the shrapnel nearing his heart does) ... thus contrived.

I'm not sure what you're even trying to argue here. Was he supposed to completely fix the problem in the first movie without fail?

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Stark has a ridiculous fight in an armored suit v.s. his friend. Who happens to be able to steal and use a suit without an prior experience (it took Stark a whole act to master it in the first film and he built the damn thing) ... how he uses the suit I have no idea. It was built for Tony, and can only be powered by the ARC REACTOR in his chest.

Are you sure of any of that? It's shown that they're good friends and that he has access.

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Whiplash is under used, the love story is rushed, the whole thing is cheesy and tongue in cheek. We get a pointless Scarlett Johansen character, who brings nothing to the table apart from meaningless action scene and a connection tot he Avengers.

There was too much going on to give more focus to Whiplash. It's not like he was a major villain anyway. I thought he was used well for what he was. Pointless? She added a bit of comedy, and she was there to evaluate Tony.

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The film is sloppy. A mess of ideas with no coherent story, other than to promote the Avengers movie. It was a cash grab, residual sequel to an actual quality film.

It seemed plenty coherent to me. I'm not trying to say it's on the same level as the first one, but it's still a good movie.

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Hardly, it was average at best. It can't even take itself seriously ... and it acknowledges this premise quite often in the film.

There is ridiculous melodrama in Asgard, and absurdity when they come to New Mexico. "The Rainbow Bridge" ... don't make me

Um, OK. Kind of bland, general, broad, not really saying much critique there.

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With it's ridiculous CGI on skinny bobble head Rogers, painfully obvious green screen, goofy looking Red Skull, wooden lead actor (and a protagonist who makes Clark Kent look like an interesting bad boy) ... it even features a horrendous 80's montage used to display the entire WWII combat in less than a few minutes.

I didn't have any problems with the special effects. Evans isn't the greatest actor, but he wasn't supposed to be a charismatic Tony Stark-type anyways. He's kind of bland like Superman depending on the situation.

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Hell, the CA movie doesn't even have a resolution. It's just a lead in for the next movie. It's pathetic.

How is that pathetic? It obviously wasn't going to end here and they did a good job of introducing and building his character, which is kind of the point.

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It's cheesy in parts because film makers had yet to truly take these characters seriously as real drama pieces, where statements could be made.

I was cringing watching that movie.

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Nope, did you miss the parts where I praise Iron Man and Blade?

I certainly didn't miss the part where you were overly critical of Marvel movies while not only excusing but praising a hokey, cringe-inducing Superman movie with shit dialogue. Oh, you have problem how things look in the Marvel movies, but no problems with Superman? They should waited before trying a movie like Superman.

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This is the point. Marvel Studios plays it safe. They give mass marketed, cookie cutter product that look to deliver on average to the average movie goer a good time. And for the most part, they do.

They're not playing it safe in all of them. When they try that, you get something like Daredevil, Ghost Rider or a Spiderman 3. You could tell the effort just wasn't there. CA can actually be seen as a fairly good war movie.

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Like I said, average movies. They bat for average (even though technically they have more abominations than DC movies) ... DC swings for the fences with their artistic integrity.

A number of them aren't average, but you want to be so damn overly critical for whatever reasons. They're actually well done and planned out movies that for the most part accomplish what they set out to, but for whatever you can't sit back and enjoy them. Even the majority of critics liked them, but you want to compare them to a movie that critics and moviegoers all seem to hate in Green Lantern (I haven't seen it yet, but heard nothing but bad things about it)? Your comments just seem to have DC fanboy all over them.

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That's why I respect their films, more. No lead ins for the next film that has already been planned on a planogram in a marketing studio's office. They put everything they have, with unique vision into each film.

Like it's a bad thing that Marvel has this giant plan for a big universe of movies that all fit together (well, not all, but a bunch)? To me, that's ****ing awesome. Wait, isn't DC trying something similar, as well?

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You never heard of "re-boot" before Batman Begins.

And, now there's going to be a Batman reboot.

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Old 12-04-2012, 02:44 AM   #39
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Breaking Bad gets better and better as it continues. Season 4 was the best IMO, I would re-evaluate after you're completely caught up. The growing unlikeability of the protagonist is part of the evolution of the show.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:48 AM   #40
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Breaking Bad gets better and better as it continues. Season 4 was the best IMO, I would re-evaluate after you're completely caught up. The growing unlikeability of the protagonist is part of the evolution of the show.
Season 4 is the best, and quite frankly, if they ended the show on that season's finale, it'd be the best television show finale of all time.

I doubt they can top it with season 5's finale, but I'm sure they'll try.
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Old 12-04-2012, 11:59 AM   #41
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I have, and it gradually gets more and more ridiculous.

Plot contrivances GALORE. Tons of conveniences, too many to seem plausible. And they get worse as the seasons progress, yo.



Can you give examples of any of these in the show? Cause everyone I know that has watched this show loves it, and I've never heard of any of the criticisms you've given. IMO the way they tie everything together is great and there's been nothing thats just ridiculous and borderline unrealistic unlike a show like Homeland for example (which is still a great show). To each his own, just curious.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:32 PM   #42
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If try something and you start it with skepticism you are likely to focus more on the negatives. If you open mindedly tried watching the show then youd probable enjoy it.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:36 PM   #43
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Jesse is by far the best actor on the show. Skylar is awful. Can someone kill her? She might go down as the most annoying wife in a tv series of all-time.

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Old 12-04-2012, 01:04 PM   #44
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I'd really like to see a well-done Hulk movie. Bruce Banner is such a great character and has the potential for a great movie.

No love for the Edward Norton Hulk?

I'm not saying it was great, but it's the best cinematic representation of the Hulk that I've ever seen.
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Money 23, do you admit that it's just your opinion that BB is not a good show and that the opinion of others who enjoy it are just as worthy...or do you think people who enjoy BB are stupid/not worthy of having an opinion?

Sorry for the randomness of the question. Curious.
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