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Old 12-05-2012, 03:41 PM   #16
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Default Re: What to make of the big decline in individual scoring averages?

'05-'06 was the year that the NBA really enforced the no touching rule on the perimeter. That's why you had Kobe, Iverson, Lebron, Arenas, etc having career PPG and Wade set the record for fts in the finals. The officials have eased up a bit on over-calling everything, hence the numbers not being so high.
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:47 PM   #17
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'05-'06 was the year that the NBA really enforced the no touching rule on the perimeter. That's why you had Kobe, Iverson, Lebron, Arenas, etc having career PPG and Wade set the record for fts in the finals. The officials have eased up a bit on over-calling everything, hence the numbers not being so high.
It was still pretty touchy in 2007, not as bad as 2006.

By 2008, everything had settled down. And while still softer defensive rules, they let the players go at it a little bit more than they were the two previous seasons.
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:52 PM   #18
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Another thing too is that a lot of the ''stars'' are getting older in today's game. Obviously, you can't expect Pierce or Dirk to score as much as in the past, but they are still good.
Yes, but why aren't they being replaced? If Elton Brand and Yao Ming can score 20-25 every night, why isn't Robin Lopez? He isn't a worse scorer than either guy was.

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It's the super teams effects. Almost evey top 30 players are playing with another top 30 players or even 2.

It's really the Celtics in 2008 that changed the culture.
This is a good point.

But, which is the more significant thing: the fact that 3 HOFers came to the same team, or the fact that 3 HOFers came to the same team and then gave the offense over to Rajon Rondo and basically played as spot-up shooters and pinch-post players on offense and rarely iso'd? And that those HOFers only won because of their defense?

If anything - and I'm not dismissing your point at all, I think it's true - this movement of stars towards each other's teams is proving wrong the value of stars. Some of the top teams have stars, some don't - but in 2004, we found out that it's not superstar wing players that win you championships, it's defense and attitude and teamwork. And right now, the top teams all have these things, while the top 10 scorers are spread all throughout the standings.
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Default Re: What to make of the big decline in individual scoring averages?

The exact same trend happend from the early 60's transitioning into the early 70's. In 40 years all the future teenagers will have all the answers we need to know:

*It was a weak-era

*Lack of proper nutrition and training

*The league was more primitive particularly defenses

*Kobe would never score 35 per game or 81 points in the modern era

*Lack of athleticism

*Chinese were only just being allowed into the league back then

etc
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:54 PM   #20
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Default Re: What to make of the big decline in individual scoring averages?

Teams/players adapted to the weaker perimeter defensive rules. It took a while to adjust because not many knew how to defend superstar wing players like Bryant and Iverson, middle of the pack superstars like Pierce and Carter, or even the emerging players like James, Arenas, and Wade.

But you can see the drop off of ppg from 06 to 07. There's definitely not as many touch calls now and the free throws also have dropped off, I believe.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:05 PM   #21
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the defense this era is much greater than in years past. thats why kobe > jordan.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:57 PM   #22
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That self-less basketball ideology trickled down to a lot of his era contemporaries.
How about the scoring decreased because everyone started to choke and statpadd by following Lebron basketball ideology?


omg putting this on Lebron
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Default Re: What to make of the big decline in individual scoring averages?

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The exact same trend happend from the early 60's transitioning into the early 70's. In 40 years all the future teenagers will have all the answers we need to know:

*It was a weak-era

*Lack of proper nutrition and training

*The league was more primitive particularly defenses

*Kobe would never score 35 per game or 81 points in the modern era

*Lack of athleticism

*Chinese were only just being allowed into the league back then
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:14 PM   #24
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Wow a thoughtful, well reasoned post with a unique conclusion... What'd you do to ISH????
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:17 PM   #25
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Default Re: What to make of the big decline in individual scoring averages?

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The exact same trend happend from the early 60's transitioning into the early 70's. In 40 years all the future teenagers will have all the answers we need to know:

*It was a weak-era

*Lack of proper nutrition and training

*The league was more primitive particularly defenses

*Kobe would never score 35 per game or 81 points in the modern era

*Lack of athleticism

*Chinese were only just being allowed into the league back then

etc


And "short, slow white guys". Can't forget about those. Ironically, the Lakers are now pinning all of their hopes on a "short slow white guy" to get them back on track this season.

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Old 12-05-2012, 09:12 PM   #26
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Wth.....why do fans what to see 1 vs 5? That dont win...we use rings to rip players but when they use team ball like it is meant to be played we still complain? Lebron playes teamball so do the others. Im telling you this group of players watched the 2000 and seen all those jordan wanna bees and said yeah thats cool but they always went home in the playoffs. They got in the leauge and changed that. Team ball is how you win why is that so hard to grasp?
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:13 PM   #27
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Default Re: What to make of the big decline in individual scoring averages?

Woah, I thought this thread was going to be just about the lack of 30 ppg scorers today...which i was going to say is easily explained by the fact that the best scorers (Lebron, Durant, and Kobe) today are on teams with other great players on them (Wade, Westbrook, and D. Howard) and so they don't need to score 30 ppg.

But I did not know that there were 28 twenty point scorers in 2006 and only 10 now. That is definitely pretty significant.
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