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Old 12-07-2012, 06:36 PM   #76
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Not apply for it, or accept it from the government. I shouldn't take other peoples money that they don't want to go to me. If they want to give to the poor, they should donate to charity. I would accept from charity because the money that goes there wasn't stolen from them.
Are the armed forces full of thieves? Are public school teachers stealing? Should cops arrest themselves? Because there are taxpayers that don't want their money going to all of these groups.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:39 PM   #77
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I see.

Ever drive on roads? Better not! Those roads were built using money that was STOLEN from MY POCKETS against MY WILL!

Attend public school? You better stop! Those school grounds and teachers were paid for with money STOLEN FROM ME!

Those two things are 5% of the budget. If those were the only two things we paid for as taxpayers, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Moot point really. As most of yours are.

Trust funds take up a much larger chunk.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:45 PM   #78
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Those two things are 5% of the budget. If those were the only two things we paid for as taxpayers, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Moot point really. As most of yours are.

Trust funds take up a much larger chunk.

eliminating oil and nat gas subsidies would save us taxpayers $120 billion over the next 10 years.

i am tired of the us govt forcibly taking my money so that the most profitable companies in the world can inflate their profits even more.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:55 PM   #79
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eliminating oil and nat gas subsidies would save us taxpayers $120 billion over the next 10 years.

i am tired of the us govt forcibly taking my money so that the most profitable companies in the world can inflate their profits even more.

This is more along the lines of what it means to forcibly take someone's money. It's called redistribution.

What's different about roads and to a lesser extent, schools, is that they benefit society as a whole, rather than one economic class of people.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:11 PM   #80
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You guys arguing with a 15 year old. You're not gonna convince a 15 year old not to think retarded things.
True, but if someone out on the internet is searching and sees this thread, maybe it'll help enlighten them.

Maybe.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:22 PM   #81
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eliminating oil and nat gas subsidies would save us taxpayers $120 billion over the next 10 years.

i am tired of the us govt forcibly taking my money so that the most profitable companies in the world can inflate their profits even more.

Oil and gas companies don't receive subsidies.

And since you're so against government assistance to corporations, we should end tax breaks for wind energy as well. Don't want to be a hypocrite do we?
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:38 PM   #82
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Oil and gas companies don't receive subsidies.
bullshit they dont. here is a full list of the hundreds of tax breaks and subsidies available to oil and gas companies

http://www.oecd.org/site/tadffss/USA.pdf

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And since you're so against government assistance to corporations, we should end tax breaks for wind energy as well. Don't want to be a hypocrite do we?

thats fine by me, wind and solar are both becoming more and more viable by the day. at this very moment, germany currently generates 25% of their power from renewables, and can reach 50% or more on sunny days.

50% of new generation built in the USA last year was renewable. the future is coming hawker
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:49 PM   #83
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Why don't you consider your fellow American citizens as a sort of extended family? Wouldn't we all be better off if we did? If we all wanted to take care of each other and make sure everyone in our country is happy?

WOW lol... really? Made a huge leap there... maybe because he doesn't want to? Maybe because it's not his responsibility to make sure everyone in our country is happy? Maybe because he has a much stronger emotional bond with people he has been living with for his whole lifetime? The gap between a family member and a random citizen that could be living 3000 miles away is large. Huge. Not even in the same ballpark.

I am amazed how people are relating that being supported by family is the same as getting a government handout. Those two are not the same at all. Not even close. Having a supportive family and being against handouts does not make one a hypocrite lol.

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That's one issue I have with many conservatives. They seem to think if you are outside of their circle of family and friends then you can essentially go f*** yourself. To me it seems as if they fail to realize that we would be better off if we were in this together since we can all benefit down the line. It's like they operate on a very small, tribal mindset.

I'm a kind person, but that doesn't mean I have to give change to every bum that approaches me or support large inefficient welfare programs.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:00 PM   #84
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I'm a kind person, but that doesnt mean I should have to give money to the govt to pay for ginormous tax breaks for rich people and corporations.

Or pay for a trillion dollar per year perpetual war industry, for that matter.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:09 PM   #85
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I'm a kind person, but that doesnt mean I should have to give money to the govt to pay for ginormous tax breaks for rich people and corporations.

Or pay for a trillion dollar per year perpetual war industry, for that matter.

What's your point? I was addressing a post that claimed conservatives outside of their friends and family have a go **** yourself attitude, which is false.

But I'm all for ending the perpetual war industry and ending subsidies to corporations too. That's why I didn't vote for Romney or Obama
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:27 PM   #86
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What's your point? I was addressing a post that claimed conservatives outside of their friends and family have a go **** yourself attitude, which is false.

But I'm all for ending the perpetual war industry and ending subsidies to corporations too. That's why I didn't vote for Romney or Obama


it annoys me when people (conservatives) complain about welfare for poor people while the govt is spending waaaay more providing welfare for rich and the corporate elite.

if the govt is going to redistribute wealth, i would much rather that it get redistributed to poor people instead of rich.

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Old 12-08-2012, 02:11 AM   #87
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If Republicans want to rebuild they need to be the party that is out of your pockets and out of your bedroom, especially out of the bedroom. For a party that doesn't believe in regulations it is interesting that they believe they can regulate America's culture.

As for taxation I don't see how that is stealing when people get back what they put in through; hard and soft infrastructure among other positive societal outcomes. I believe the government needs reforms in how they allocate funds going forward but the anti government sentiment and comparisons to communism/socialism is delusional.

Seriously if Obama is a socialist then what does it make the leaders of America's allies like Canada, UK, etc.????
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:06 AM   #88
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If Republicans want to rebuild they need to be the party that is out of your pockets and out of your bedroom, especially out of the bedroom. For a party that doesn't believe in regulations it is interesting that they believe they can regulate America's culture.

As for taxation I don't see how that is stealing when people get back what they put in through; hard and soft infrastructure among other positive societal outcomes. I believe the government needs reforms in how they allocate funds going forward but the anti government sentiment and comparisons to communism/socialism is delusional.

Seriously if Obama is a socialist then what does it make the leaders of America's allies like Canada, UK, etc.????

cant agree more. the modern fox news "conservative" is not remotely conservative by the definition of the word.
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Old 12-08-2012, 05:12 AM   #89
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Fantastic article on why modern Republicans are so adamantly and shamelessly anti-science and anti-intellectualism.

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Climate scientists came under attack not just because their research threatened the oil industry (although it certainly did that), but also because they had exposed significant market failures.

Pollution is a market failure because, in general, polluters do not pay a price for environmental damage (and this includes not just polluting industries, like electrical utilities, but also anyone who uses a product—like gasoline—that takes up a portion of the planetary sink without paying for it). Nicholas Stern, a former chief economist at the World Bank, has declared climate change "the greatest and widest-ranging market failure ever seen."
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:17 AM   #90
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I am loving this...

The guy doing the most ranting and raving is a little boy in high school living off mommy and daddy



This muthaf*cker is talking about takers and makers when he has yet to even be an adult... are you old enough even vote???


Just another person taking on the establishments language.

takers vs. the makers. blah blah blah
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