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 12-05-2012, 11:07 PM #76 lilgodfather1 Wait and See     Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,233 Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers Comparing bigs to guards is not fair to the guards. Bigs score more efficiently, and that is incredibly obvious. IMO it would be much more interesting to see how many games it took each of these guys to hit 30k. I'd assume Wilt was like 10 years or something lol.
12-05-2012, 11:08 PM   #77
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Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers

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 Originally Posted by 28renyoy 30000-current total points scored=x. Then I calculated how many FGA they would need to reach x based on their efficiency from the previous 4 seasons. Durant's is likely over calculated based on his play from the the past 2 seasons as his efficiency appears to continue going up.

The problem I see with that is that you're not accounting for age or injuries. For example, Durant is currently in his 6th season; by the end of Jordan's complete 6th season, he was averaging 32.6ppg on 59.4%(vs Durant's 26.3 on 58.5%).
If we use your method of using a player's previous 4 seasons to extrapolate efficiency for that player's next x points, where x = (30,000 - current total points scored), which I think is a horribly inaccurate way of estimating that figure, we get 33.1ppg on 60.7% for Jordan, and 28.5ppg on 60.5% for Durant.

Using your method of calculation on Jordan we get 2199, which is obviously too low. The reason behind the discrepancy here is father time(age + injuries). By the way, I got a different value for Durant than you did - I got 21035 to your 20652, so one of us is off.

Because of modern medicine, and the fact that they entered the league at a younger age, Durant and Lebron will almost certainly have better longevity than Jordan, but that doesn't mean that your method isn't flawed, it is, and considerably so.

12-05-2012, 11:12 PM   #78
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Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers

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 Originally Posted by G-Funk Durant: Career Assist 2.9, Career Turnovers 3.2

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12-05-2012, 11:12 PM   #79
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Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers

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 Originally Posted by DatAsh The problem I see with that is that you're not accounting for age or injuries. For example, Durant is currently in his 6th season; by the end of Jordan's complete 6th season, he was averaging 32.6ppg on 59.4%(vs Durant's 26.3 on 58.5%). If we use your method of using a player's previous 4 seasons to extrapolate efficiency for that player's next x points, where x = (30,000 - current total points scored), which I think is a horribly inaccurate way of estimating that figure, we get 33.1ppg on 60.7% for Jordan, and 28.5ppg on 60.5% for Durant. Using your method of calculation on Jordan we get 2199, which is obviously too low. The reason behind the discrepancy here is father time(age + injuries). By the way, I got a different value for Durant than you did - I got 21035 to your 20652, so one of us is off. Because of modern medicine, and the fact that they entered the league at a younger age, Durant and Lebron will almost certainly have better longevity than Jordan, but that doesn't mean that your method isn't flawed, it is, and considerably so.

well put

12-05-2012, 11:13 PM   #80
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Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers

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 Originally Posted by okayabc123 being 34-35 years old, and still is among the elite players in the league dominated by strong, faster athletes.

That should tell you something about these so-called "stong[er], faster athletes". Why is it that in a league full of recently evolved, super humans, can a man in the last phase of his career not only run with them, but outpace them?

That alone should give you an indication that the league isn't any stronger or faster than it was before. Kobe is doing now, what he's always done.

Despite what all the 13-year-old scientists are attempting to posit, humanity has not evolved in the last 15 years.

If anything, this older version of Kobe is making it seem like everyone else devolved.

 12-05-2012, 11:15 PM #81 tpols we already won     Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 21,291 Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers Yea let's compare kobe to kareembadul Jabbar, wilt Chamberlain, and Karl Malone.. All bigen scorers and 7 fvcking footers.
12-05-2012, 11:26 PM   #82
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Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers

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 Originally Posted by G-Funk Durant: Career Assist 2.9, Career Turnovers 3.2

lmao owned

12-05-2012, 11:28 PM   #83
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Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers

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 Originally Posted by Poetry That should tell you something about these so-called "stong[er], faster athletes". Why is it that in a league full of recently evolved, super humans, can a man in the last phase of his career not only run with them, but outpace them? That alone should give you an indication that the league isn't any stronger or faster than it was before. Kobe is doing now, what he's always done. Despite what all the 13-year-old scientists are attempting to posit, humanity has not evolved in the last 15 years. If anything, this older version of Kobe is making it seem like everyone else devolved.

12-05-2012, 11:28 PM   #84
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Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers

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 Originally Posted by 28renyoy You're an idiot Player A averages 5.0 ppg year 1 7.0 ppg year 2 11.0 ppg year 3 16.0 ppg year 4 22.0 ppg year 5 25.0 ppg year 6 23.0 ppg year 7 His average for these 7 years were 15.2 ppg After averaging 23.3 ppg over the past 3 years, you would expect him to average 15.2 ppg in year 8?

What the hell are you talking about? I told you that Jordan's FGA to points ratio got worse as he got better and the noticeable jump came the year the Bulls won their first title.

So, what's to say that Durant keeps up his recent efficiency? That's what I'm saying. Are you dense?

12-05-2012, 11:48 PM   #85
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Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers

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 Originally Posted by Poetry That should tell you something about these so-called "stong[er], faster athletes". Why is it that in a league full of recently evolved, super humans, can a man in the last phase of his career not only run with them, but outpace them? That alone should give you an indication that the league isn't any stronger or faster than it was before. Kobe is doing now, what he's always done. Despite what all the 13-year-old scientists are attempting to posit, humanity has not evolved in the last 15 years. If anything, this older version of Kobe is making it seem like everyone else devolved.

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 12-06-2012, 12:22 AM #86 KOBEtherealKing Purple n' Gold     Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,801 Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers HatersGonnaHAteBe DominateBe
12-06-2012, 12:32 AM   #87
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Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers

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 Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot The actual relevant comparison... Kobe Bryant 34-104 Wilt Chamberlain 35-179 Karl Malone 36-189 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 36-217 Michael Jordan 38-321 #YOUNGESTTO30K

Jordan @38? seriously? what a scrub he is

12-06-2012, 12:33 AM   #88
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Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers

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 Originally Posted by SevereUpInHere F*ck man, why can't people just appreciate this milestone instead of shitting on his fg%. 5 people, 5 PEOPLE in the history of the game have scored 30000 points, it's sad reading all the replies on here.

Tru that.

Congrats Kobe

and if Lebron passes the milestone, ill give congrats there too.

Its a game with guys just like us playing (with allot more money)

Too much drama/hate/jealousy/BS about Kobe.

12-06-2012, 12:37 AM   #89
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Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers

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 Originally Posted by pejavelin DUMB THREAD because historically S Guards have better FG% than Centers and pf. hes not too far from mj in fga and mj was a beast. just being in that group is an honor.

thank you

A poster actually uses sensibility when he posts and everyone chooses to ignore it and only replies to trolls. That's ISH/haters in a nutshell.

 12-06-2012, 12:41 AM #90 BlueandGold Lakers 2017     Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3,801 Re: How Kobe stacks up vs other 30000 point scorers Yep so Kobe wasn't as efficient as MJ nor as dominant as Chamberlin. Amazing revelations these are.
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