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Old 01-11-2013, 07:25 PM   #1
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Default Will Kobe have a similar fate to Iverson?

In terms of how people who never saw him play perceive him? Iverson gets underrated because of his career .425 shooting. And while Kobe's is a little higher, is still lower than other great guards.

Note: Iverson became an around 44+% shooter immediately after the rule changes at age 30, so that's something to take into consideration when comparing him to the guards that came after.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:30 PM   #2
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Default Re: Will Kobe have a similar fate to Iverson?

Iverson gets really underrated by FG whores that don't understand the game right.. Kobe has the hardware to overcome the hate though. Most casual fans only know

Jordan
Kobe
Lebron

Bird
Magic

Shaq

Maybe wilt

.. So that's who will continue to be really remembered in future generations.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:31 PM   #3
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Default Re: Will Kobe have a similar fate to Iverson?

Who the hell is this clown?

Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to not take into account Kobe's longevity?

Please stop posting.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:31 PM   #4
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Default Re: Will Kobe have a similar fate to Iverson?

I don't think so...looking at the top SG's from what I've seen...

Kobe's career TS% .555. Michael Jordan career TS% is .562 Wade's TS%: .567 Iverson TS%: .508

That's such a HUGE drop off in efficiency for AI....and considering Kobe takes more shots, and has been playing much longer than everyone. Kobe's TS% is actually better than Wade's TS% right now also.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:32 PM   #5
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Default Re: Will Kobe have a similar fate to Iverson?

Well he has the rings so he'll get more of a benefit of the doubt.

But up to a point, yeah, many people glance at the FG% and wave off Iverson and i'd bet some might do the same for Kobe.

And it's ridiculous, because TS% is so much better. Imagine if TS% were on the back of basketball trading cards and were listed in sports illustrated magazines and stuff in the 90's . And imagine if they showed TS% during games on TNT, ESPN, NBC, and ABC instead of FG%. There'd be a big difference in how people view some players.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:33 PM   #6
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Default Re: Will Kobe have a similar fate to Iverson?

Iversons high fg % after the rule change speaks volumes to how great he actually was.

Imagine already be severely undersized yet defenders are able to hand check and push you around.

Now days if you slap the ball to hard it's a foul
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:38 PM   #7
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Default Re: Will Kobe have a similar fate to Iverson?

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I don't think so...looking at the top SG's from what I've seen...

Kobe's career TS% .555. Michael Jordan career TS% is .562 Wade's TS%: .567 Iverson TS%: .508

That's such a HUGE drop off in efficiency for AI....and considering Kobe takes more shots, and has been playing much longer than everyone. Kobe's TS% is actually better than Wade's TS% right now also.

MJ had a .580 TS%...it drops to .562 when you included his Wizards years...which is pretty unfair and kinda a ridiculous thing to do.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:39 PM   #8
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Default Re: Will Kobe have a similar fate to Iverson?

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Who the hell is this clown?

Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to not take into account Kobe's longevity?

Please stop posting.

Why are you saying how stupid I have to be when I'm talking about how future generations might perceive Kobe. They're not going to give a S about his longevity, just like they're not going to give an S about Bill Russell's rings or Kareem Abdul Jabbar's logevity.
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:40 PM   #9
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MJ had a .580 TS%...it drops to .562 when you included his Wizards years...which is pretty unfair and kinda a ridiculous thing to do.


- can we take off Kobe's teenage years too then? ( his lowest TS% seasons when he barely played)

- still would marginal %
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MJ had a .580 TS%...it drops to .562 when you included his Wizards years...which is pretty unfair and kinda a ridiculous thing to do.
why?
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:40 PM   #11
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Default Re: Will Kobe have a similar fate to Iverson?

No. Kobe has two things that AI never had. 5 rings and 81 points.
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- can we take off Kobe's teenage years too then? ( his lowest TS% seasons when he barely played)

- still would marginal %

Yeah fine, take away Kobe's teenage years.
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MJ had a .580 TS%...it drops to .562 when you included his Wizards years...which is pretty unfair and kinda a ridiculous thing to do.

So you can cherry pick and not include the years which you deem to be "unfair"
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So you can cherry pick and not include the years which you deem to be "unfair"
read his next post
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why?

Because he was 40 and were 4 years removed from the rest of MJ's career and as such are obviously not representative of prime MJ.

But fine, regardless, when we speak of primes those years obviously aren't what we'd be looking at.
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