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Old 12-08-2012, 07:49 AM   #1
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****ing Qatar now too. We really have to stop trusting anyone in the middle east with even basic shit.
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We haven't learned a thing, we funded the Mujahideen back in the 80/90s and they became Al Qaeda
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Wait, so Obama is arming arms with arms? That is alARMing.
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considering its the only thing Obama can do to influence the outcomes while we're standing on the sidelines watching, and the decision to arm or not to arm is not nearly as black and white a no brainer as it might be in hindsight, to me this is one of those shit happens....i know we're very weary of arming rebels since thats why we haven't given Syrian rebels better arms and this will probably make us more reluctant to support any rebel opposition groups. besides other countries like Iran are supplying arms to terrorists as well...

on a side note i think if we had Romney or any Republican in office i think they'd have already supplied the Syrian rebels and every other opposition group with arms.
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considering its the only thing Obama can do to influence the outcomes while we're standing on the sidelines watching, and the decision to arm or not to arm is not nearly as black and white a no brainer as it might be in hindsight, to me this is one of those shit happens....i know we're very weary of arming rebels since thats why we haven't given Syrian rebels better arms and this will probably make us more reluctant to support any rebel opposition groups. besides other countries like Iran are supplying arms to terrorists as well...

on a side note i think if we had Romney or any Republican in office i think they'd have already supplied the Syrian rebels and every other opposition group with arms.

Side note my ass. You're so predictable.
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We haven't learned a thing, we funded the Mujahideen back in the 80/90s and they became Al Qaeda

This. We need to stop meddling in Middle East affairs because they always come back to bite us in the ass. Our friend or ally today who we are funding, arming, and training will be tomorrow's terrorist harboring, WMD-building tyrannical war criminal. No matter how many times it happens, we never learn.



Rumsfeld and Saddam used to be drinking buddies

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And like you pointed out, the Carter/Reagan administrations and the CIA basically funded, trained, and equipped Al Qaeda because they were the enemy of our enemy at the time (Soviets).

Director of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Willian Webster & Deputy Director for Operations Clair George at a Mujahadeen Training camp:



Ronald Reagan meeting with Mujahadeen leaders in the White House (1985):

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Side note my ass. You're so predictable.


why is it so hard to believe a much more aggressive foreign policy party that is pro guns and believes in arming people to fight for their causes would be more likely to arm rebels than a anti war, anti guns party? it'd be almost predictable they'd have done it by now....give me some logical reasoning why you'd think otherwise
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why is it so hard to believe a much more aggressive foreign policy party that is pro guns and believes in arming people to fight for their causes would be more likely to arm rebels than a anti war, anti guns party? it'd be almost predictable they'd have done it by now....give me some logical reasoning why you'd think otherwise

To be fair, Historically both parties have been guilty of arming/training/funding rebels in the Mid East and it blowing up in the country's face. If Obama secretly ordered the arming of rebels, then he should be held accountable. But Carter, Reagan, Bush, etc were never held accountable for more or less creating Al Qeada and supporting other extremist groups/governments, so I expect nothing to come of it.

It's not really an issue of political party affiliation it's more a general political ideology/strategy that both parties employ, that always haunts us. But we never learn
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To be fair, Historically both parties have been guilty of arming/training/funding rebels in the Mid East and it blowing up in the country's face. If Obama secretly ordered the arming of rebels, then he should be held accountable. But Carter, Reagan, Bush, etc were never held accountable for more or less creating Al Qeada and supporting other extremist groups/governments, so I expect nothing to come of it.

It's not really an issue of political party affiliation it's more a general political ideology/strategy that both parties employ, that always haunts us. But we never learn


but its not a black and white winner/loser outcome situation either. just like sure we did train/arm terrorist when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan but they did drive the Soviets out, and we don't know the consequences of what would have happened if they took over Afghanistan. but since we armed and trained the terrorists of today back then its eaasy for people to criticize in hindsight.

its just like with Syria. do we sit here and watch Bashir killing innocents and not get involved at all in supporting the rebels, or just let it unfold whichever way it goes? its just not that easy of a no brainer answer.

not to change the subject but this is what pisses me off the most about every major Democrat vs Republican economic decision since the end of the Bush Administration when we were on the verge of Depression that Obama's Administration has been criticized for. since we will never know the exact outcome of what our country would be like today if we let everything fail, didn't raise the debt ceiling, got rid of most government programs, no influx of money back into the economy to sitimulate it, etc. like Republicans wanted, all we'll ever hear is how horrible Obama's Administration is for constantly increasing our debt

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but its not a black and white winner/loser outcome situation either. just like sure we did train/arm terrorist when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan but they did drive the Soviets out, and we don't know the consequences of what would have happened if they took over Afghanistan. but since we armed and trained the terrorists of today back then its eaasy for people to criticize in hindsight.

Right, but how many times do you have to watch the same movie before you realize it always ends the same way?

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its just like with Syria. do we sit here and watch Bashir killing innocents and not get involved at all in supporting the rebels, or just let it unfold whichever way it goes? its just not that easy of a no brainer answer.

Might sound cold-blooded, but yeah we should just sit back and watch. It's really none of our business. Why are we not threatening governments/extremist groups in Africa where plenty of genocides are occurring right now? Why do we always zero in on Middle East human rights issues as excuses to use force and meddle when human rights atrocities are occurring all over the world but we turn a blind eye to them (with the exception of the occasional celebrity fund)?

If we want to help, provide more resources to the UN and let them handle it. That way we are more certain our money and weapons won't end up in the hands of terrorists.

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not to change the subject but this is what pisses me off the most about every major Democrat vs Republican economic decision since the end of the Bush Administration when we were on the verge of Depression that Obama's Administration has been criticized for. since we will never know the exact outcome of what our country would be like today if we let everything fail, didn't raise the debt ceiling, got rid of most government programs, no influx of money back into the economy to sitimulate it, etc. like Republicans wanted all we'll ever hear is how horrible Obama's Administration is for constantly increasing our debt

Yeah, that's an issue for another thread
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:56 PM   #13
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Just because they let you keep a military base in their country, it doesn't necessarily mean they like you.

Well past time to give up this whole "democracy in the Middle East" crusade. Just stop dealing with these people.

People will still act surprised by this, of course, because...well, they're idiots.
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Just because they let you keep a military base in their country, it doesn't necessarily mean they like you.

Well past time to give up this whole "democracy in the Middle East" crusade. Just stop dealing with these people.

People will still act surprised by this, of course, because...well, they're idiots.

Isn't that just a ruse to get at their oil?
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considering its the only thing Obama can do to influence the outcomes while we're standing on the sidelines watching, and the decision to arm or not to arm is not nearly as black and white a no brainer as it might be in hindsight, to me this is one of those shit happens....i know we're very weary of arming rebels since thats why we haven't given Syrian rebels better arms and this will probably make us more reluctant to support any rebel opposition groups. besides other countries like Iran are supplying arms to terrorists as well...

on a side note i think if we had Romney or any Republican in office i think they'd have already supplied the Syrian rebels and every other opposition group with arms.

Regarding your side note, I absolutely agree. Romney did support arming Syria. And that was his worst point. Completely stupid.
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