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Old 03-12-2013, 10:20 AM   #1
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Default I'm so sick of the charlotte bobcats being a shit team

**** you Michael Jordan and your zero sense of building a decent team. How about you draft some one that isn't so raw? It seems like the bobcats take a gamble on these Raw players that need to develop in the NBA. Kemba Walker, Bismack Biyombo, Michael Kidd Gilchrist, Tyrus Thomas.

Here is some talent mr Michael Jordan could've drafted but didn't over the last few years.

2012: instead of MKG they could've drafted

Andre Drummond
Bradley Beal
Dion Waiters
Harrison Barnes

2011: instead of Kemba Walker they could've drafted

Keneth Faried
Isaiah Thomas

2010: instead of Gerald Henderson they could've drafted

Ty Lawson
Jrue Holiday
Jeff Teague
Eric Maynor

2009: Instead of D.J augustin

Brooke Lopez
Javale Mcgee
JJ Hickson
Serge Ibaka

I could go on and on. But look at the talent that has been drafted. One hell of a team could've been built with some of those picks. Imagine the line-up of:

pg: Jrue Holiday
sg: Ben Gordon
sf:Harrison Barnes
pf: Keneth Faried
C: Brooke Lopez

Guess what. Thats actually a somewhat decent team on paper. Could even make the playoffs.

Yet we get this colossal ****ing piece of shit.

**** you Mr Jordan
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:26 AM   #2
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Couldn't you do that with any team? Based on the info that existed at the time every one of those picks but the Augustin one was the highest rated prospect on the board, and resulted in an above average draft rating.

The problem in Charlotte the last few years hasn't been drafting, its been inadequacies in developing talent and being hamstrung by bad contracts (i.e. Ben Gordon, Tyrus Thomas, DeSagana Diop, Matt Carroll, etc.)
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:34 AM   #3
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Default Re: I'm so sick of the charlotte bobcats being a shit team

Kemba is better than Isiah Thomas, and I'd argue he is better than Kenneth Faried too.

I still don't mind the MKG pick. I am taking a wait and see approach to it. The Bobcats wanted to get out of #2 and couldn't find a taker.

Kemba, Biyombo, MKG, and Jeff Taylor is a solid haul from the last two drafts. The Cats just can't seem to net the number one pick, and knowing their luck they will get it this year, in a draft with no surefire superstar at the top. The roster is currently all side dishes in search of a main course.

Who must I go to, to get The BJ Mullens Stretch Four Project terminated?

I still don't get the Diop and Carroll deals. Gordon expires next year, and could conceivably net a high 2nd rounder on draft day, or an intriguing piece at the deadline.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:40 AM   #4
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Default Re: I'm so sick of the charlotte bobcats being a shit team

Here goes the grades we've received based on our draft picks over the last 5 drafts >>>>

2012 Draft Picks
Round 1: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (2)
Round 2: Jeffery Taylor (31)

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It's tough to assess how the Bobcats did without knowing more specifics about their trade talks. They need so much help that an "A" grade would have been earned by turning the No. 2 pick into two quality players rather than one. Still, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist was considered the second-best player in the draft by a good portion of NBA executives, and it's never a bad thing to add a guy known for his leadership, defensive ability and relentless style when you're trying to build a new culture. Now, of course, owner Michael Jordan and new coach Mike Dunlap had better get to work fixing Kidd-Gilchrist's broken jumper. I really like the selection of Vanderbilt small forward Jeff Taylor at No. 31, largely because there just isn't enough value placed on players who get it done at both ends. Taylor does that, ensuring that opposing scorers won't be able to rest when Kidd-Gilchrist goes to the bench. He is one of the draft's best overall athletes in terms of strength and speed.

Grade: B+ >>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz2NKsbd5La

2011 Draft Picks
Round 1: Bismack Biyombo (7), Kemba Walker (9)

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The Bobcats' part in a three-way trade with Milwaukee and Sacramento was a gamble in this sense: They shook up their roster based largely on the potential of players who headlined one of the weakest drafts in quite some time. Kemba Walker might very well prove me wrong, but -- impressive résumé and all -- he's no lock to be an impact player. Bismack Biyombo isn't either, even if his skill set of defending, blocking shots and rebounding is exactly what the Bobcats needed. They essentially swapped Stephen Jackson for Corey Maggette in the deal, a move that Golden State officials might deem the lesser of two evils. And from a draft perspective only, I'm not so sure No. 7 and No. 9 will ultimately pay more dividends than the No. 9 and No. 19 they started with. Still, there is a ton of potential there in Walker and Biyombo and a chance they got it right.

Grade: B- >>>> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz2NKsYyxWm

2010 Draft Picks
NONE

2009 Draft Picks
Round 1: Gerald Henderson (12)
Round 2: Derrick Brown (40)

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Larry Brown went for the Larry Brown-type player. Although he might not excel at a particular facet, Duke guard Gerald Henderson carries the complete type of skill set demanded by Brown. At No. 12, the Bobcats landed a player who should be an instant contributor. He shoots, he can score in the paint, he rebounds, he contains his man. He should fit right in and might actually earn the occasional bit of praise from Brown. Possibly.

Grade: B-plus >>>> http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/315582...ts-nba/page/2/


2008 Draft Picks
Round 1: D.J. Augustin (9), Alexis Ajinca (20)
Round 2: Kyle Weaver (38)

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Analysis: I'm a D.J. Augustin admirer, and I think he'll be an improvement over Raymond Felton eventually. The Bobcats were shopping Felton before the draft and I think they'll keep doing it now.

Ajinca is intriguing on paper and in workouts, but I'm highly skeptical he can turn 5 points per game in the French league into a solid NBA career. I think they wasted some cash buying the pick.

Weaver is a Larry Brown-type defensive specialist who can play two positions. He's a nice get at No. 38.

Grade: B- >>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...tGrades-080627

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Old 03-12-2013, 10:45 AM   #5
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Default Re: I'm so sick of the charlotte bobcats being a shit team

The only really bad pick there was Augustin over Lopez. Hindsight is always 20/20, but even at the time, they needed size and had a chance to get the best center in that draft class, who dropped right to them. So they take an undersized PG? It didn't make sense then, and it looks much much worse now.....

Other than that, those picks aren't terrible, and its easy to say "we shoulda took THAT guy".
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:25 AM   #6
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Default Re: I'm so sick of the charlotte bobcats being a shit team

I made a thread before about them having the most pathetic frontline in the history of the NBA and its clearly where they need lots of help.

Gerald Henderson was a solid pick so were Kemba & Jeffery Taylor imo they didn't need MKG but still hes quality enough. There biggest problem is the complete lack of skill or defense @PF/C.

I honestly think the best way for the Bobcats to rebuild would be to try package a deal for the likes of Favours, Kantar, Jefferson, Milsap, Monroe, Cousins, Pekovic (all guys not on contenders)which involves draft picks and one of there core guys. They need a big who they can play through to go along with a decent combo that they have from PG-SG-SF.

Bioymbo was a terrible pick and was DJ Augstine not going well for them prior to Kemba? Its easy to look back at every team and crap all over there choices but yeah they have missed a lot but also the trades they have made have sucked and the roster out of 3-4 players is just awful.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:33 AM   #7
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Default Re: I'm so sick of the charlotte bobcats being a shit team

How many GMs passed on faried and Thomas?

I think they would have been better served pulling the trigger swapping picks with the cavs last draft. I like MKG a lot but people gotta realize, barnes wouldn't have done much better for them. MKG probably does more for that squad than what Barnes could have done. Beal probably would have been a good fit but they don't really got anybody to set him up, and Beal is more of a finisher rather than an initiator. Waiters probably would have been the best fit for them, but at #4 he was considered a huge reach and the bobcats fan base might have assassinated the FO if they would have drafted him with their second pick.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:35 AM   #8
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Default Re: I'm so sick of the charlotte bobcats being a shit team

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2011: instead of Kemba Walker they could've drafted

Keneth Faried
Isaiah Thomas

2010: instead of Gerald Henderson they could've drafted

Ty Lawson
Jrue Holiday
Jeff Teague
Eric Maynor


Well, I think the Kemba pick was stellar. I wouldn't redo that pick at all. In 2010 they didn't need a PG. They had just drafted 1 a year earlier. I think if we can sign a quality big and draft a scoring threat at 2 or 4, the team will be greatly improved. The talent is increasing, while the team is still intentionally tanking.

I expect some splash next year with a really good draft and with a rebrand of the CHARLOTTE HORNETS!

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Old 03-12-2013, 11:38 AM   #9
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Default Re: I'm so sick of the charlotte bobcats being a shit team

Well, come on. Draft grades are grades based on that day.

If you went back and graded all those drafts, the numbers would be quite different. Damian Lillard is going to win Rookie of the Year.
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Well these things happen.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:52 AM   #11
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Default Re: I'm so sick of the charlotte bobcats being a shit team

i think their problem is player development, not scouting or drafting. if they're taking all these "raw" talents, someone's gotta develop the rawness out of them eh?

what's the difference between Spurs and Bobcats? you think Tiago or Kawhi woulda developed similarly if they were drafted by the Bobcats?
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:00 PM   #12
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Well, come on. Draft grades are grades based on that day.

If you went back and graded all those drafts, the numbers would be quite different. Damian Lillard is going to win Rookie of the Year.


Of course he is going to be the ROY, that doesn't mean that based on the knowledge that existed at the time that he should have been the #1 pick. There were clear question marks with him becuase 1) he hadn't played top notch competition, 2) he was older than all the other top prospects and 3) people wondered if he had elite athleticism. I don't see how that can be ignored when criticisizing teams for not drafting him.

Thats the same thing I say for Andre Drummond. Before his injury he was probably the most productive rookie per minute, but he had showed literally nothing at UCONN to suggest he would become this player. How can you ignore that and bash teams who had a chance to pick him and didn't?
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:13 PM   #13
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Default Re: I'm so sick of the charlotte bobcats being a shit team

Same here. I live in NC and watch almost all Cats games. Loved Kemba in college and hoped he could bring some consistent offense but he is hit or miss most games.

Bismack isn't' as adept defensively as I hoped and MKG though well rounded doesn't look like he will become a high impact guy. At least IMO.

Maybe Wiggins will end up in Charlotte. Without a star player or at least a solid starting five the Cats will remain a bottomfeeder.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:34 PM   #14
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Face it. Being the GOAT player does not automatically translate to GOAT GM.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:40 PM   #15
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i think their problem is player development, not scouting or drafting. if they're taking all these "raw" talents, someone's gotta develop the rawness out of them eh?

what's the difference between Spurs and Bobcats? you think Tiago or Kawhi woulda developed similarly if they were drafted by the Bobcats?

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