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Old 12-11-2012, 11:08 PM   #16
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had Eli not had a horseshoe stuck completely up his ass Brady's career would be something that people would not believe to be true.

Well, if there wasn't the retarded tuck rule, then maybe the Pats never get the momentum to win any Super Bowls.
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What's the argument for Brady being better than Manning again?
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:17 AM   #18
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lets see if he can ever beat the giants and eli again
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I think Manning is a better QB but Brady has the rings. I would take Manning though if we rewound their careers and I had to pick one to be on my team.

But I will take Montana over both of them every day of the week. I was post-Montana, and Steve Young is my favorite football player of all time, but I've seem enough, heard enough, read enough to that to pick anyone else but Joe Cool would be a mistake.
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but I've seem enough, heard enough, read enough to that to pick anyone else but Joe Cool would be a mistake.

Why?
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IDK man.... I might have to say Brady > Montana
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IDK man.... I might have to say Brady > Montana

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What's the argument for Brady being better than Manning again?


Head to head record
Individual stats
Rings

enough, or do you not value either winning or statistics?
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Head to head record means nothing when it comes to legacy. They don't play against each other, they play against the defense. It's not basketball where a great center gets to match up against the other geat center. Not tennis where you play each other and the best man wins. It's football, where there are dozens of coaches and 52 active players who all have a say in who wins a game.

Rings....this is a post by a fellow board member that sums it up perfectly.

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If Brady is the best ever he proved it while losing. Hes shown more "magic", swagger, and ability to carry a team in the last 6 years than almost anyone ive ever seen. Barring the massive overrating he got off his early career...he would be one of my all time favorites just off the last few years. But as it stands? watching him get better and better and fail over and over and over and over and over(and one more over I think) is just too funny to me. The guy who got the most "Winning is greatness" love clearly getting better as he loses in crushing fashion year after year is just too perfect for the case ive been making since like....1994.


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Manning has more 100 touchdowns, 15000 more yards, higher completion percentage, 3 more MVP awards as of now, 5 more all-pro teams..........
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IDK man.... I might have to say Brady > Montana
Montana is the GOAT for his playoff stats...where he owns every QB to ever play

IN 4 Super Bowl games he threw ZERO interceptions


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Montana holds postseason records for most career touchdown passes (45), games with a passer rating over 100.0 (12) and is second in passing yards (5,772) and games with 300+ passing yards (6, tied with Kurt Warner). He also tied Terry Bradshaw's record for consecutive playoff games with at least two touchdown passes (7). In his four Super Bowls, Montana completed 83 of 122 passes for 1,142 yards and 11 touchdowns with no interceptions, earning him a passer rating of 127.8. Montana led his team to victory in each game, and is the only player ever to win three Super Bowl MVP awards. Montana also holds the record for most Super Bowl pass completions (83) and pass attempts (122) without throwing an interception.
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Why?

Look at the nickname: Joe Cool.

If there is a game on the line as a coach I'm chillin because he's under center.

You guys also have to keep in mind the era change. QB's now can put up numbers easier than QB's from previous eras. Even though the Niners were a pass based offense back then the rules have changed to allow for the air attack to be much easier.

If you take Montana and put him in this era I'm confident his numbers would go up.
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Montana is the GOAT for his playoff stats...where he owns every QB to ever play

You could argue guys like Warner, Rodgers, Starr, and Brees. But, playoffs are only a small part of a career anyways. Barry Sanders was rather mediocre in the playoffs, so would you drop him out of the top 10 for RBs?
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You guys also have to keep in mind the era change. QB's now can put up numbers easier than QB's from previous eras. Even though the Niners were a pass based offense back then the rules have changed to allow for the air attack to be much easier.

If you take Montana and put him in this era I'm confident his numbers would go up.

Marino threw for over 5,000 yards and had 48 TDs in a season back in that era.
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Montana is clearly the best superbowl quarterback of all time and it's not even close.

However as overall playoff quarterbacks, he's not clearly the best. He's in the conversation. Rodgers has rediculous numbers, 105.5 rating, 18 total touchdowns to 4 ints, great in superbowl....

Drew Brees.... 325 yards per game, 104 rating, 22 touchdowns only 4 ints...dominant superbowl performance.
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