Kobe does it again ! 1-10

[Heavincent]

Originally Posted by poido123

Funny that, alot of crazy folks around here seeing shit you don't.

You and like 3 other people on ISH are the only people who care at all about this stat.

It's meaningless. Deal with it. How the hell is Kobe scoring less points gonna help the team? "God damn it Kobe, stop scoring 40+ points on ridiculous efficiency!" C'mon, you know how ridiculous that sounds?

You guys are just running out of shit to talk about. It's beyond pathetic at this point.

[RazorBaLade]

Originally Posted by clayton

Yes. Miles dropped 28 on Kobe. All offense, no defense.

So that means kobe is +12 over his man. Lets take a look at duhon shall we.

-26.

Yes. Kobe should have been more pos over his man, chris duhon going -26 is ok.

[SpecialQue]

Retard over here thinks that if he posts this "stat" enough people will think it's somehow valid.

No, these losses can't be due to the other players playing like shit, right?

[Rubio2Gasol]

Originally Posted by KG215

Wait, C.J. Miles scored 28? Was Kobe his primary defender?

That's the much bigger concern if true.

Lots of pick and roll switching so it's difficult to say. He ended up on Gee or Irving and Pargo as well.

Only in LA do you see this retarded pick and roll defense.

[longtime lurker]

I'm interested to see what Kobe's teammates shoot when he has 30+ points. I bet that attributes a lot to this bogus stat. The Lakers problem is and has always been defense but at this point they need to try something, anything losing to the Cavs is a fvcking embarrassment.

[HardwoodLegend]

Originally Posted by poido123

You retards. Kobe kills the flow early in the game with patches of shooting too much. Other players start to get lazy and uninterested on D, causing the team to have passing problems and stagnant offense. Then late in the game, Kobe starts shooting way too much again, teammates start to watch rather than participate.

So Kobe was efficient tonight? but he took a hell of a lot of shots again, what about the other 9 games where most of them he was inefficient? But of course Kobe fans look for excuses :faceplam

Precisely. Shrewd analysis.

Kobe may be scoring efficiently, but the way he approaches the game kills any rhythm the Lakers could potentially develop as a team.

He needs to strike a balance between playmaking and scoring rather than going on shooting binges after a few consecutive passes he makes results in bricked shots. His teammates are possibly bricking those shots because of a surprise over finally getting to shoot.

[longtime lurker]

Originally Posted by swi7ch

It's because he's not sharng the ball. He's hell bent on Hero Mode or breaking whatever scoring record is next instead of actually winning the game

1-10 don't lie. You can't argue with facts. And the fact is, Lakers are 1-10 when Kobe scores 30+

you are a ****ing simpleton

[Legends66NBA7]

Originally Posted by HardwoodLegend

His teammates are possibly bricking those shots because of a surprise over finally getting to shoot.

Ah, so it's not just Kobe's 30+ point games that are resulting into this arbitrary stat ?

Were going somewhere here.

[LeBird]

The idea that Kobe's scoring is affecting his teammates that much is absurd. These are pro players. That they start watching Kobe or become disenchanted to play defence is beyond the pale. Why is Kobe responsible for others doing the bare minimum?

I don't even like Kobe yet I am being forced to defend him. Correlation =/= causation. This stat is useless.

[selrahc]

who cares? if kobe doesnt score 30 team still loses anyways. he might as well get his.

[longtime lurker]

Originally Posted by poido123

You retards. Kobe kills the flow early in the game with patches of shooting too much. Other players start to get lazy and uninterested on D, causing the team to have passing problems and stagnant offense. Then late in the game, Kobe starts shooting way too much again, teammates start to watch rather than participate.

So Kobe was efficient tonight? but he took a hell of a lot of shots again, what about the other 9 games where most of them he was inefficient? But of course Kobe fans look for excuses :faceplam

There you have it folks. Kobe Bryant the only player in NBA history that can get blamed for his teammates playing bad defense because he's playing well offensively

[Pacers4ever]

Originally Posted by longtime lurker

There you have it folks. Kobe Bryant the only player in NBA history that can get blamed for his teammates playing bad defense because he's playing well offensively

Everyone including kobe is playing bad defense

[Legends66NBA7]

Originally Posted by LeBird

The idea that Kobe's scoring is affecting his teammates that much is absurd. These are pro players. That they start watching Kobe or become disenchanted to play defence is beyond the pale. Why is Kobe responsible for others doing the bare minimum?

I don't even like Kobe yet I am being forced to defend him. Correlation =/= causation. This stat is useless.

Pretty much. Winning is an entire team concept and it baffles me that people cannot figure this out, unless one player really stinks it up on the court.

I even covered this arbitrary stat before:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...7&postcount=73

So, let's use arbitrary records without context.

Bryant's record when he scores all-time in the regular season:

97-98: 1-1
98-99: 2-0
99-00: 8-0
00-01: 20-10
01-02: 13-5
02-03: 30-12
03-04: 15-4
04-05: 15-15
05-06: 33-23
06-07: 21-17
07-08: 25-11
08-09: 21-6
09-10: 19-10
10-11: 17-6
11-12: 17-7

In the playoffs:

99-00: 1-3
00-01: 6-0
01-02: 5-1
02-03: 6-3
03-04: 5-1
05-06: 0-1
06-07: 1-3
07-08: 8-4
08-09: 10-5
09-10: 10-4
10-11: 1-2
11-12: 3-4

So, I guess this is the first time that Bryant's teammates have been disinterested offensively and defensively.

I'm not saying Bryant's not to blame, but it's not about his scoring. If you want to account the Lakers losing with his play, look at his turnovers and defense. It's the Lakers as a unit, where in lies the problem. That and their missing 3 regular players in their rotation and 2 new coaching systems.

I wonder why this stat is so relevant now.

[Legends66NBA7]

Originally Posted by Pacers4ever

Everyone including kobe is playing bad defense

This is also true.

[dabulls23]

even if ppl say that Kobe kills the rhythm..yaliyaliyliya..

if you look when kobe iso's .. his other teammates are just standing there out in the perimeter and watching.. jesus ****ing move or look for cuts..

there's no option (b) when kobe iso's it's just hoping he makes it.. like when kobe get's doubled he does pass it out.. but even that his teammates are out of position ending up forcing a bad shot..

kobe can make that pass like lebron does if they get ****ing open by movement...