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Old 12-14-2012, 01:44 AM   #16
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Default Re: Kobe scoring 30 and losing is better than scoring 0-10-20 and losing

If Kobe is scoring 30 points and they keep on losing and losing over and over again, then he is not making that extra pass to get his teammates involved and look for the better shot.

When you don't get your teammates involve on the offensive end, this hurts the team chemistry and in turn it will hurt the defensive end.

Players want to be respected; the greatest chemistry builder is simply passing the ball to someone else and relying on them to score a bucket or two.

1. Lakers problem = no chemistry.

2. No chemistry = Kobe is scoring a lot.

3. Therefore, the solution is simply for Kobe to score less and build the chemistry.


It is easy to be deceived by high scorers because they have this delusion about that them that makes people think they are doing more than the other guys, but if you have ever played a game of basketball, you should know it is that one guy who hustles, grabs the rebound, makes the extra pass, etc. is really the guy you want to play with, not the chucker who shows you no respect and never gives up the ball.

We all know this guy. We're nice enough to set him up, but when it is his turn, he would rather chuck an air ball with 3 defenders on him than give you the ball when you are wide open for a lay up. We all hate as*holes like him, and in the NBA, you have to multiply the hate by 10x because egos are running like sweat, and guys like Howard, Gasol, and even MWP, need their shots to be motivated.

It's as simple as that: the team leader should be the least selfish on the team. How else is he going to lead when he is out for himself.

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Old 12-14-2012, 01:44 AM   #17
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Kobe did take some stupid crazy shots tonight though. Considering how close they got towards the end, who knows.....
It would of been a huge blowout if Melo didn't get injured in the 3rd.
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You guys just don't seem to get it. Kobe is the leader of that team. Since he gets all the praise when their winning, he should also get the blame when their losing. It sucks because he's giving it his all. But as a leader, the majority of the blame will go to him regardless of what he does on the court.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:53 AM   #22
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You guys just don't seem to get it. Kobe is the leader of that team. Since he gets all the praise when their winning, he should also get the blame when their losing. It sucks because he's giving it his all. But as a leader, the majority of the blame will go to him regardless of what he does on the court.
Yup.. as great as kobe is individually, I dont think hes up there with the bill russels or magic johnsons or larry Birds who generated RYTHYM for their teams. Kobe is in the mold of MJ and Wilt.. guys who need additional leadership outside of themselves to get their teams to be motivated.

MJ needed phil and Scottie to keep the wheels running smooth while he did his thing..

Wilt couldnt win in his prime because he didnt inspire his teams like russel did..

And Kobe isnt gonna have things run smooth unless a guy like Phil Jackson is coaching that would unify all of the personalities and make a smooth gameplan..
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:57 AM   #23
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Dont really understand why its bad that kobe plays good and trys

If he got shut down and averaged crappy d-wade type stats and they were losing. Then i'd be ashamed...


Kobe doing well and the lakers losing is a much more respectable way to lose and avoid all the blame.

Most are hanging it on the coach or defense. So what makes people think kobe fans should be ashamed of the only bright spot of the lakers this year
In the wins
Vs. Detroit Kobe shot 10 times - impressive win
vs. GS Kobe shot 18 times - impressive win
vs. Sacramento Kobe shot 15 times - impressive win
vs Pheonix Kobe shot 24 times 10 for 24 but MWP, Gasol and DH all had good games and DH shot 14 times.
vs Houston 15 times - impressive win
vs Brooklyn 18 times
Recently
vs Dallas 11 times - impressive win
vs Denver 15 times - impressive win
vs New Orleans 17 times - impressive win

So when Kobe shoots 18 or less times they win 8 out of 9 times. They only won nine times. When DH shoots 14 or more times they win five out of seven. Its much too hard for Gasol and DH to have good games when he shoots 24 times at a % clip much less than those guys.

That's enough to draw some very definite conclusions from and to perhaps try the winning formula a little more.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:57 AM   #24
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Yup.. as great as kobe is individually, I dont think hes up there with the bill russels or magic johnsons or larry Birds who generated RYTHYM for their teams. Kobe is in the mold of MJ and Wilt.. guys who need additional leadership outside of themselves to get their teams to be motivated.

MJ needed phil and Scottie to keep the wheels running smooth while he did his thing..

Wilt couldnt win in his prime because he didnt inspire his teams like russel did..

And Kobe isnt gonna have things run smooth unless a guy like Phil Jackson is coaching that would unify all of the personalities and make a smooth gameplan..

Totally agree
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Old 12-14-2012, 02:02 AM   #25
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In the wins
Vs. Detroit Kobe shot 10 times - impressive win
vs. GS Kobe shot 18 times - impressive win
vs. Sacramento Kobe shot 15 times - impressive win
vs Pheonix Kobe shot 24 times 10 for 24 but MWP, Gasol and DH all had good games and DH shot 14 times.
vs Houston 15 times - impressive win
vs Brooklyn 18 times
Recently
vs Dallas 11 times - impressive win
vs Denver 15 times - impressive win
vs New Orleans 17 times - impressive win

So when Kobe shoots 18 or less times they win 8 out of 9 times. They only won nine times. When DH shoots 14 or more times they win five out of seven. Its much too hard for Gasol and DH to have good games when he shoots 24 times at a % clip much less than those guys.

That's enough to draw some very definite conclusions from and to perhaps try the winning formula a little more.

Probably the most flawed stat in basketball. The reason why they win is because Kobe doesn't need to bail the team out.

Perhaps next game Kobe should just shoot 10 times and call it a night because they will win. See how flawed this stat is.
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If Kobe is scoring 30 points and they keep on losing and losing over and over again, then he is not making that extra pass to get his teammates involved and look for the better shot.

When you don't get your teammates involve on the offensive end, this hurts the team chemistry and in turn it will hurt the defensive end.

Players want to be respected; the greatest chemistry builder is simply passing the ball to someone else and relying on them to score a bucket or two.

1. Lakers problem = no chemistry.

2. No chemistry = Kobe is scoring a lot.

3. Therefore, the solution is simply for Kobe to score less and build the chemistry.


It is easy to be deceived by high scorers because they have this delusion about that them that makes people think they are doing more than the other guys, but if you have ever played a game of basketball, you should know it is that one guy who hustles, grabs the rebound, makes the extra pass, etc. is really the guy you want to play with, not the chucker who shows you no respect and never gives up the ball.

We all know this guy. We're nice enough to set him up, but when it is his turn, he would rather chuck an air ball with 3 defenders on him than give you the ball when you are wide open for a lay up. We all hate as*holes like him, and in the NBA, you have to multiply the hate by 10x because egos are running like sweat, and guys like Howard, Gasol, and even MWP, need their shots to be motivated.

It's as simple as that: the team leader should be the least selfish on the team. How else is he going to lead when he is out for himself.

clearly u havent been watching the games... when kobe is unselfish his teammates brick every shot... the opposing team leaves duhon and mwp open and when kobe hits them when they are open they miss every shot
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clearly u havent been watching the games... when kobe is unselfish his teammates brick every shot... the opposing team leaves duhon and mwp open and when kobe hits them when they are open they miss every shot

this.

People basically don't watch games anymore. A buddy of mine has DVR and records the games.

He basically fast forwards the games and rewinds it for highlights. He doesn't have a grasp of how the game is flowing or the context of the game.

This generation of basketball fans don't have patience and don't know what goes on in a game. They read the box score or fast forward the games on DVR.

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You guys just don't seem to get it. Kobe is the leader of that team. Since he gets all the praise when their winning, he should also get the blame when their losing. It sucks because he's giving it his all. But as a leader, the majority of the blame will go to him regardless of what he does on the court.

I hear what you are saying but he's not giving it his all on defense. When the season opened Kobe wasn't trying to teach people knowledge of the Princeton offense. He wasn't getting on players about personal responsibility. He doesn't show sacrifice or selflessness to change things. He was never a people person so leadership isn't going to be easy for him. He has his flaws but people aren't ready to say them for whatever reason. Duncan is hard to criticize, but he's got some obvious flaws too. Its ok. Kobe is top 10 GOAT -rarefied air - but he's got flaws like everybody else.
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I hear what you are saying but he's not giving it his all on defense. When the season opened Kobe wasn't trying to teach people knowledge of the Princeton offense. He wasn't getting on players about personal responsibility. He doesn't show sacrifice or selflessness to change things. He was never a people person so leadership isn't going to be easy for him. He has his flaws but people aren't ready to say them for whatever reason. Duncan is hard to criticize, but he's got some obvious flaws too. Its ok. Kobe is top 10 GOAT -rarefied air - but he's got flaws like everybody else.

I don't think you will see Kobe teaching because he's learning things himself. It's not like he has to teach these guys anything, they are veterans. I think he can teach Dwight a lot of things but I don't even know if Dwight is willing to learn.

If this was the Triangle offense then Kobe should be teaching but this is a new system.

Kobe expects a lot out of his teammates and I believe he thinks they shouldn't be led because his teammates were once Alpha dogs. Nash, Pau, Metta and Howard were all once leaders of their teams.

I still think he's leading these guys but he's not hard on them because they were once leaders and he expects these guys to find out themselves.
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Probably the most flawed stat in basketball. The reason why they win is because Kobe doesn't need to bail the team out.

Perhaps next game Kobe should just shoot 10 times and call it a night because they will win. See how flawed this stat is.

Overide whatever concept you had of my post and put in the concept of sharing the ball. I'm not as much concerned with Kobe's stats as I am about DH and Gasol having a stake in the game.

If Kobe dominates the ball and the bigs don't get as many shots as Kobe himself, one thing happens all the time without exception. THEY LOSE. Its not a stat, its a reality without an exception. The one time they won both Gasol and DH got a good share of shots. There is a success trend, and a loosing trend. Kobe is not expected to go with the successful trend. Why? Its fine when the loosing trend has a direct relationship with him and something that can be identified as selfishness. But nobody wants to talk about it. When something is consistent a 100% with eleven examples it should be looked at.
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