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Old 12-15-2012, 11:40 AM   #31
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I don't even own a gun, but I believe in the freedom to defend yourself from the government and other people. America was built on this. And this argument really doesn't work when you look at the world? 2011 Norway massacre? The multiple British shootings posted? Tasmania school shooting? Shit happens, people are sick. Murders will still happen and assault rifles will still be used by sickos, legally obtained or not. So when a sicko illegal obtains an assault rifle and comes at me, it's illegal for me to own something to hit him back with? ****outtahere
gotta love how you use the tasmania shooting that I reference. Thats the point. The tasmania shooting caused a massive national change in Australia. How many mass shootings have they had subsequently? Exactly.

Meanwhile, the Bradley foundation has a list of mass shootings since 2005 (expiration of the assault rifle ban) that is 62 pages long. No other country has this problem.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:47 AM   #32
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Seriously, just do some research on countries where there is 100% control on guns, meaning you can't get them no matter what, and it is strict liability- as soon as you are found with a gun, you are arrested.

In such countries, I've NEVER really heard of any gun massacres, or any massacre at all. If they do, it's like once every few years.

Just look at Japan. I don't remember any gun massacre killing there at all, even though they probably have a black market. Whereas for the U.S. I can NAME the cases off my head.

For Japan, I basically found 2 massacre's since 2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

Both were done with knifes. But look at the deaths. One massacre event from the U.S. trumps the death already. And we're just looking at one gun massacre event from the U.S., compared to the 13 year total in Japan.

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Old 12-15-2012, 12:09 PM   #33
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Seriously, just do some research on countries where there is 100% control on guns, meaning you can't get them no matter what, and it is strict liability- as soon as you are found with a gun, you are arrested.

In such countries, I've NEVER really heard of any gun massacres, or any massacre at all. If they do, it's like once every few years.

Just look at Japan. I don't remember any gun massacre killing there at all, even though they probably have a black market. Whereas for the U.S. I can NAME the cases off my head.

For Japan, I basically found 2 massacre's since 2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

Both were done with knifes. But look at the deaths. One massacre event from the U.S. trumps the death already. And we're just looking at one gun massacre event from the U.S., compared to the 13 year total in Japan.

Mexico has completely banned guns for civilians. They have a higher gun murder rate than the US. Your point is null.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:11 PM   #34
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The problem isn't the instruments used to kill, those will be available no matter what. The problem is the people that commit these crimes...and I don't know what the answer is to that. We need God
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:24 PM   #35
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Mexico has completely banned guns for civilians. They have a higher gun murder rate than the US. Your point is null.
That's pretty much the only country, and you should know why. Their culture, the drug cartel, poverty, and all that. Their government do not really, or actually, cannot enforce those rules.

Way to compare with the other modern countries I am bringing up with to compare with the U.S. Bringing up Mexico as a point, seriously? That just showed me you basically have nothing left to argue. Moot.
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:27 PM   #36
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ridiculous how many people ignore that the more powerful the weapon the easier it is for maniacs to kill a large number of people......

you people bringing up knife attacks are not stupid you just choose to ignore the obvious over politics which is ridiculous.

a guy with the knife and the guy with access to a rocket launcher can both kill people yes..... the guy with the more powerful and longer distance weapon can kill people more easily.

therefore I would rather the maniac have access to knives than rocket launchers.

this is not a difficult concept to grasp
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:29 PM   #37
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Guys, look at the statistics! Except when they don't support my argument. Then they don't matter.

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Old 12-15-2012, 12:33 PM   #38
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lmao. you're grasping right now.

Help me a bit here.
Let's take a look at massacre's in these countries:

France
Japan
China
Spain
Korea
Australia
Canada

Countries with comparable economics and development, not comparing a rural poverty country filled with drug cartels and mafia. Is it not obvious enough, if you don't have easy access to guns, a crazy person can't simply go grab it off the shelf and shoot over 30 people?

Are you really happier knowing that tomorrow on your way to work, some kid can steal a gun from his uncle's car and shoot you?
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:41 PM   #39
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lmao. you're grasping right now.

Help me a bit here.
Let's take a look at massacre's in these countries:

France
Japan
China
Spain
Korea
Australia
Canada

Countries with comparable economics and development, not comparing a rural poverty country filled with drug cartels and mafia. Is it not obvious enough, if you don't have easy access to guns, a crazy person can't simply go grab it off the shelf and shoot over 30 people?

Are you really happier knowing that tomorrow on your way to work, some kid can steal a gun from his uncle's car and shoot you?

Mass shootings account for less than 1% of gun murders in the US. Gang related shootings account for more than 80%.

Assuming you aren't in a gang, when you leave the house it is 15000% more likely you will be killed by a drunk driver than a mass shooter.

You are making these statements based on your emotions, not logic.

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-...ce/welcome.htm
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:43 PM   #40
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Mexico has completely banned guns for civilians. They have a higher gun murder rate than the US. Your point is null.
smfh at you. Where are 90% of the confiscated guns from? Legally purchased in the US. It helps that they have an incredibly porous border with a country whose policies push the violence into mexico.
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i know the weapon used was a knife and no one was killed, but you don't f with the Chinese government. this mf'er is going on the electric chair in no time. heck you get your fingers cut for stealing in China.
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smfh at you. Where are 90% of the confiscated guns from? Legally purchased in the US. It helps that they have an incredibly porous border with a country whose policies push the violence into mexico.

So wait...you're telling me that it isn't hard for criminals to get guns if they want them? And that even banning gun ownership outright doesn't work?



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Mass shootings account for less than 1% of gun murders in the US. Gang related shootings account for more than 80%.

Assuming you aren't in a gang, when you leave the house it is 15000% more likely you will be killed by a drunk driver than a mass shooter.

You are making these statements based on your emotions, not logic.

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-...ce/welcome.htm
the % isnt the issue. More poeple were killed by smoking on 9/11 than died at all three sites. So what?
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Old 12-15-2012, 12:51 PM   #44
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Mass shootings account for less than 1% of gun murders in the US. Gang related shootings account for more than 80%.

Assuming you aren't in a gang, when you leave the house it is 15000% more likely you will be killed by a drunk driver than a mass shooter.

You are making these statements based on your emotions, not logic.

http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/gun-...ce/welcome.htm
Doesn't that help my argument even more? Gun laws in the U.S. makes is easy EVEN for gang shootings. Not only does it not stop crazy people from getting guns, it also makes these gang related shootings easy. Why do they have to go through the trouble of black market

http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/1...-buy-guns.html
Where did these kids in the gangs buy their guns from? Oh wait.. they bought it LEGALLY.
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But the truth is most guns recovered in crimes here were originally bought in Illinois.

More specifically, in Cook County.

And the No. 1 supplier of those weapons is just a short drive from Chicago, Chuck’s Gun Store in south suburban Riverdale.

From 2008 to March 2012, the police successfully traced the ownership of 1,375 guns recovered in crimes in Chicago within a year of their purchase.

Of those guns, 268 were bought at Chuck’s — nearly one in five.

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"Prior to May 1999, a single gun store sold more than half of the guns recovered from criminals in Milwaukee, WI, shortly following retail sale."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2438583/


And back to the issue just now, you know what, you say I'm not accepting statistics when it doesn't suit me? Fine, I'll take Mexico. I'll take the one outlier statistic Mexico, and not take into considerable its gang/crime/drug cartels.

Countries that have banned guns and still have a high rate of death:
Mexico

Countries that have banned guns and do not have constant massacre or high rate of death:
Pretty much the rest of the world. I can pull more than 50 countries in here.

Do you really think the statistics are in your favor? Pro-gun advocates always point to Sweden and Mexico for their case. Well guess what, that's 2 country out of the 100 in the world we have. Countless other countries around the world ban guns, and do not have to deal with mass killing on a daily basis.

For them, it happens once every few years, and impacts the society deeply. Here in the U.S.? Oh, another gun killing. We've already forgotten the 2, or 3 mass killing cases that happened last month.
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Doesn't that help my argument even more? Gun laws in the U.S. makes is easy EVEN for gang shootings. Not only does it not stop crazy people from getting guns, it also makes these gang related shootings easy. Why do they have to go through the trouble of black market

http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/1...-buy-guns.html
Where did these kids in the gangs buy their guns from? Oh wait.. they bought it LEGALLY.



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And back to the issue just now, you know what, you say I'm not accepting statistics when it doesn't suit me? Fine, I'll take Mexico. I'll take the one outlier statistic Mexico, and not take into considerable its gang/crime/drug cartels.

Countries that have banned guns and still have a high rate of death:
Mexico

Countries that have banned guns and do not have constant massacre or high rate of death:
Pretty much the rest of the world. I can pull more than 50 countries in here.

Do you really think the statistics are in your favor? Pro-gun advocates always point to Sweden and Mexico for their case. Well guess what, that's 2 country out of the 100 in the world we have. Countless other countries around the world ban guns, and do not have to deal with mass killing on a daily basis.

For them, it happens once every few years, and impacts the society deeply. Here in the U.S.? Oh, another gun killing. We've already forgotten the 2, or 3 mass killing cases that happened last month.

The rest of these awesome countries you love so much aren't the size of the US, they don't have the same poverty level as the US, they don't have the same wealth disparity as the US. Your average European country is the same size/population as fcking Ohio.

You do realize the US has higher crime rates for all crimes, not just gun murder right?

If the other crime rates were relatively equal but America had a massive disparity in gun violence then your statistics might be relevant. But that isn't the case. We have more of EVERY TYPE of crime.

There isn't a country in the world you can compare the US too in terms of racial homogenity, wealthy disparity, poverty etc.
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