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Old 12-16-2012, 05:50 PM   #16
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even putting in Mexico, U.S. still looks bad as one of the few modern developed countries there..

and even with Mexico there.. I think anyone here who is an adult or with some intelligence will not give a worth to Mexico.. drug cartels, crime, poverty, etc.

If you subtract gang crime related murders the US is right in the middle of the pack.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:51 PM   #17
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even putting in Mexico, U.S. still looks bad as one of the few modern developed countries there..

and even with Mexico there.. I think anyone here who is an adult or with some intelligence will not give a worth to Mexico.. drug cartels, crime, poverty, etc.

We have same things here, gangs, crime, poverty. US is the worst in a lot of things as a developed nation. Our whole economic system and careless culture breeds violence.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:18 PM   #18
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The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD, French: Organisation de coopération et de développement économiques, OCDE) is an international economic organisation of 34 countries founded in 1961 to stimulate economic progress and world trade. It is a forum of countries committed to democracy and the free-market economy, providing a platform to compare policy experiences, seek answers to common problems, identify good practices, and co-ordinate domestic and international policies of its members.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:21 PM   #19
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why didnt they include mexico or russia in that graph?

Russia is not part of the OECD. If you read the article, you would find this
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The above chart measures data for the nations of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which includes all Western countries plus Turkey, Israel, Chile, Japan, and South Korea. I did not include Mexico, which has about triple the U.S. rate due in large part to the ongoing drug war.

Russia works with the OECD and may be taking steps to join it, but it's not a member.
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Old 12-16-2012, 06:28 PM   #20
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The murder rate in the US is way down. The big decline started in 1994 and continues. Seems to me that this correlates to the rise in popularity of assault rifles. Assault rifles sales got a huge boost from the Clinton assault weapons ban. Of course it was not really a ban, as there was many loopholes, and actually led to a huge increase in sales.

Link: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murd...-state#nat1970

I am not saying the two are related, but it is very interesting that at the same time assault rifles are increasing in popularity the murder rate is declining dramatically.

I think you could form a hypothesis that the rise in popularity of assault rifles has not impacted the murder rate.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:00 PM   #21
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If you subtract gang crime related murders the US is right in the middle of the pack.

and if you subtracted gang related murders in other countries, where would america rank then????
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:08 PM   #22
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and if you subtracted gang related murders in other countries, where would america rank then????

Don't know, but gang activity in the United States is off the charts compared to European countries
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:13 PM   #23
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Don't know, but gang activity in the United States is off the charts compared to European countries

Yes but you can't just claim something without having the numbers to back you up.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:15 PM   #24
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Yes but you can't just claim something without having the numbers to back you up.

It would take me half an hour to find all those stats just so I could post it on ISH and get negged for my opinion anyway

The point is gang related violence skews the numbers greatly and this chart is biased and clearly agenda driven.
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Yes but you can't just claim something without having the numbers to back you up.
You can make a logical assumption based on some facts. Hell, here in the Bay there seems to be a gang related shooting every other week, especially around Oakland.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:17 PM   #26
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It would take me half an hour to find all those stats just so I could post it on ISH and get negged for my opinion anyway

The point is gang related violence skews the numbers greatly and this chart is biased and clearly agenda driven.

gang related violence isnt a problem in our society? lets say 2 gangsters were shooting at eachother in front of your house. would you not have a problem with that?
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:19 PM   #27
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The murder rate in the US is way down. The big decline started in 1994 and continues. Seems to me that this correlates to the rise in popularity of assault rifles. Assault rifles sales got a huge boost from the Clinton assault weapons ban. Of course it was not really a ban, as there was many loopholes, and actually led to a huge increase in sales.

It also correlates with Wade v. Roe.
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It also correlates with Wade v. Roe.
Source?
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:25 PM   #29
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gang related violence isnt a problem in our society? lets say 2 gangsters were shooting at eachother in front of your house. would you not have a problem with that?

You are seriously retarded dude. Stop responding to my posts or learn reading comprehension. Google the words if you don't understand them.
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You can make a logical assumption based on some facts. Hell, here in the Bay there seems to be a gang related shooting every other week, especially around Oakland.

Ok, and I would make a logical assumption that gang related murders happen in other countries and make up the majority of their murder rates. In Canada for example if you took out gang related crime such as biker gangs, toronto gangs, and quebec mafia then the murder rate would almost be non existent. How many other countries could you make a similar claim.
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