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Old 12-19-2012, 01:52 PM   #241
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So now 774 = 1000?

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Meanwhile, USA Today, which looked at FBI figures, reports that 774 people were killed between 2006 and 2010 by a mass killer, defined as a person who kills four or more people in one incident. The figures show that mass killers strike on average once every two weeks. A third of the 156 mass killings did not involve firearms, but rather fire, knife or other weapon. Almost all of the mass killers in those years were men, and their average age was 32. The dozens of deaths caused by mass killers represented about 1 percent of all homicides between 2006 and 2010.

You think people weren't gonna read the article?

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Old 12-19-2012, 02:21 PM   #242
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We gonna act like these people wouldn't kill themselves if they didn't have guns?
Not as many.

It's easy to press a button and die... if you have to actually sit there and slit your wrists (gruesome) or jump off a bridge or something, a lot less would happen.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:43 PM   #243
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Not as many.

It's easy to press a button and die... if you have to actually sit there and slit your wrists (gruesome) or jump off a bridge or something, a lot less would happen.

Swallow a handful of pills, turn your car on and shut the garage door, etc. Slitting your wrists and jumping off a bridge are not the only options here.

Anyways this is just more evidence that the bigger issue is mental health. Think about it for a second. More people use guns to kill themselves each year than are used to kill other people.
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Old 12-19-2012, 03:19 PM   #244
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So now 774 = 1000?

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You think people weren't gonna read the article?

Is it almost a 1000? Yes.

And did I say they were all gun related? No. learn to read.

Also I'm totally fine with people committing suicide by whatever means, even assisted suicide. Go for it. Effects me and the safety of others...not at all.



Also I didn't realize 2015 is only 2 years away! OH NOES IT'S NOT WORSE THAN CAR DEATHS YET DOE, DON'T WORRY. BUT IN 2015 WE WILL AGREE FOR GUN CONTROL! .or find something else that it's only purpose isn't pain/death and say we should take that away too if we're gonna take guns away!
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Old 12-20-2012, 03:43 AM   #245
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=DuaadYFjwhU

hmm, who would have known Bill O'Reilly could be middle of the road and sensible on this issue...unless this is some major troll attempt lol
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Old 12-20-2012, 06:33 AM   #246
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Swallow a handful of pills, turn your car on and shut the garage door, etc. Slitting your wrists and jumping off a bridge are not the only options here.

Anyways this is just more evidence that the bigger issue is mental health. Think about it for a second. More people use guns to kill themselves each year than are used to kill other people.

Although I more agree with you on this point, I think the difference is between guns and other forms of suicide is that the other types generally give the person time to back out. Guns do deliver death very quickly and efficiently. If there were less guns around less people would end up killing themselves (even though the same number of people will attempt suicide). Which means that yes there is an under lying problem here that banning guns won't solve.
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Old 12-20-2012, 11:26 AM   #247
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Swallow a handful of pills, turn your car on and shut the garage door, etc. Slitting your wrists and jumping off a bridge are not the only options here.

Anyways this is just more evidence that the bigger issue is mental health. Think about it for a second. More people use guns to kill themselves each year than are used to kill other people.

Mental health issues and gun issues aren't mutually exclusive.

No one is saying mental health isn't an issue.

And anyway, you can say that suicide incidents have little to do with guns because a person can easily kill himself another way. That's true. But what about innocent people that want to live and and in an incident like this are trying to resist death? 27 deaths in this case would've probably been like 7 or 8 if Lanza was chasing everyone around with a knife instead. Still a tragedy, but lives are saved.

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Old 12-20-2012, 11:55 AM   #248
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I think i'm missing the point here. What exactly is the need for assault rifles / semi-automatics? Hand guns & single shot hunting rifles aren't good enough?

What are these "hunters" planning to do to that deer? Spray it with bullets?
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:04 PM   #249
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I think i'm missing the point here. What exactly is the need for assault rifles / semi-automatics? Hand guns & single shot hunting rifles aren't good enough?

What are these "hunters" planning to do to that deer? Spray it with bullets?
I asked this same question. The answer was better accuracy and some other nonsense.
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:48 PM   #250
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>But, if you look back through history, you will find that Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries — and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun-control laws than the United States. Indeed, neither country had stringent gun control for most of that time.

>Gun-control zealots’ choice of Britain comparison with the United States has been wholly tendentious, not only because it ignored the history of the two countries, but also because it ignored other countries with stronger gun-control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil, and Mexico. All of these countries have higher murder rates than the United States.

>You could compare other sets of countries and get similar results. Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:39 AM   #251
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Details of Feinstein's ridiculous bill.


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Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)—author of the federal “assault weapon” and “large” ammunition magazine ban of 1994-2004—has announced that on the first day of the new Congress—January 3rd— she will introduce a bill to which her 1994 ban will pale by comparison. On Dec. 17th, Feinstein said, “I have been working with my staff for over a year on this legislation” and “It will be carefully focused.” Indicating the depth of her research on the issue, she said on Dec. 21st that she had personally looked at pictures of guns in 1993, and again in 2012.

According to a Dec. 27th posting on Sen. Feinstein's website and a draft of the bill obtained by NRA-ILA, the new ban would, among other things, adopt new definitions of "assault weapon" that would affect a much larger variety of firearms, require current owners of such firearms to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act, and require forfeiture of the firearms upon the deaths of their current owners. Some of the changes in Feinstein's new bill are as follows:

Reduces, from two to one, the number of permitted external features on various firearms. The 1994 ban permitted various firearms to be manufactured only if they were assembled with no more than one feature listed in the law. Feinstein’s new bill would prohibit the manufacture of the same firearms with even one of the features.

Adopts new lists of prohibited external features. For example, whereas the 1994 ban applied to a rifle or shotgun the "pistol grip" of which "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon," the new bill would drastically expand the definition to include any "grip . . . or any other characteristic that can function as a grip." Also, the new bill adds "forward grip" to the list of prohibiting features for rifles, defining it as "a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip." Read literally and in conjunction with the reduction from two features to one, the new language would apply to every detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifle. At a minimum, it would, for example, ban all models of the AR-15, even those developed for compliance with California’s highly restrictive ban.

Carries hyperbole further than the 1994 ban. Feinstein's 1994 ban listed "grenade launcher" as one of the prohibiting features for rifles. Her 2013 bill carries goes even further into the ridiculous, by also listing "rocket launcher." Such devices are restricted under the National Firearms Act and, obviously, are not standard components of the firearms Feinstein wants to ban. Perhaps a subsequent Feinstein bill will add "nuclear bomb," "particle beam weapon," or something else equally far-fetched to the features list.

Expands the definition of "assault weapon" by including:

Three very popular rifles: The M1 Carbine (introduced in 1944 and for many years sold by the federal government to individuals involved in marksmanship competition), a model of the Ruger Mini-14, and most or all models of the SKS.

Any "semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds," except for tubular-magazine .22s.

Any "semiautomatic, centerfire, or rimfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches," any "semiautomatic handgun with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds," and any semi-automatic handgun that has a threaded barrel.

Requires owners of existing "assault weapons" to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms Act (NFA). The NFA imposes a $200 tax per firearm, and requires an owner to submit photographs and fingerprints to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), to inform the BATFE of the address where the firearm will be kept, and to obtain the BATFE’s permission to transport the firearm across state lines.

Prohibits the transfer of “assault weapons.” Owners of other firearms, including those covered by the NFA, are permitted to sell them or pass them to heirs. However, under Feinstein’s new bill, “assault weapons” would remain with their current owners until their deaths, at which point they would be forfeited to the government.

Prohibits the domestic manufacture and the importation of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. The 1994 ban allowed the importation of such magazines that were manufactured before the ban took effect. Whereas the 1994 ban protected gun owners from errant prosecution by making the government prove when a magazine was made, the new ban includes no such protection. The new ban also requires firearm dealers to certify the date of manufacture of any >10-round magazine sold, a virtually impossible task, given that virtually no magazines are stamped with their date of manufacture.

Targets handguns in defiance of the Supreme Court. The Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller that the Second Amendment protects the right to have handguns for self-defense, in large part on the basis of the fact handguns are the type of firearm “overwhelmingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose.” Semi-automatic pistols, which are the most popular handguns today, are designed to use detachable magazines, and the magazines “overwhelmingly chosen” by Americans for self-defense are those that hold more than 10 rounds. Additionally, Feinstein’s list of nearly 1,000 firearms exempted by name (see next paragraph) contains not a single handgun. Sen. Feinstein advocated banning handguns before being elected to the Senate, though she carried a handgun for her own personal protection.

Contains a larger piece of window dressing than the 1994 ban. Whereas the 1994 ban included a list of approximately 600 rifles and shotguns exempted from the ban by name, the new bill’s list is increased to nearly 1,000 rifles and shotguns. Other than for the 11 detachable-magazine semi-automatic rifles and one other semi-automatic rifle included in the list, however, the list appears to be pointless, because a separate provision of the bill exempts “any firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action.”

The Department of Justice study. On her website, Feinstein claims that a study for the DOJ found that the 1994 ban resulted in a 6.7 percent decrease in murders. To the contrary, this is what the study said: “At best, the assault weapons ban can have only a limited effect on total gun murders, because the banned weapons and magazines were never involved in more than a modest fraction of all gun murders. Our best estimate is that the ban contributed to a 6.7 percent decrease in total gun murders between 1994 and 1995. . . . However, with only one year of post-ban data, we cannot rule out the possibility that this decrease reflects chance year-to-year variation rather than a true effect of the ban. Nor can we rule out effects of other features of the 1994 Crime Act or a host of state and local initiatives that took place simultaneously.”

“Assault weapon” numbers and murder trends. From the imposition of Feinstein's “assault weapon” ban (Sept. 13, 1994) through the present, the number of “assault weapons” has risen dramatically. For example, the most common firearm that Feinstein considers an “assault weapon” is the AR-15 rifle, the manufacturing numbers of which can be gleaned from the BATFE’s firearm manufacturer reports, available here. From 1995 through 2011, the number of AR-15s—all models of which Feinstein’s new bill defines as “assault weapons”—rose by over 2.5 million. During the same period, the nation's murder rate fell 48 percent, to a 48-year low. According to the FBI, 8.5 times as many people are murdered with knives, blunt objects and bare hands, as with rifles of any type.


Traces: Feinstein makes several claims, premised on firearm traces, hoping to convince people that her 1994 ban reduced the (relatively infrequent) use of “assault weapons” in crime. However, traces do not indicate how often any type of gun is used in crime. As the Congressional Research Service and the BATFE have explained, not all firearms that are traced have been used in crime, and not all firearms used in crime are traced. Whether a trace occurs depends on whether a law enforcement agency requests that a trace be conducted. Given that existing “assault weapons” were exempted from the 1994 ban and new “assault weapons” continued to be made while the ban was in effect, any reduction in the percentage of traces accounted for by “assault weapons” during the ban, would be attributable to law enforcement agencies losing interest in tracing the firearms, or law enforcement agencies increasing their requests for traces on other types of firearms, as urged by the BATFE for more than a decade.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:49 AM   #252
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Terry Stadler tears up as he talks about his daughter’s 12-year battle with mental illness. She fought it with everything she had, he says. With repeated hospitalizations, with medication and an electrical implant designed to help with her deep depression. With crisis counseling and years of work with psychiatrists.

She fought hard, he says, right up until that day in May 2009, when the Phoenix Police Department handed her a loaded gun. Fifteen hours later, Kristi Lee Stadler was dead.

That's not a metaphor. They literally handed her a loaded gun.

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