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Old 12-17-2012, 05:49 PM   #31
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This is by far the DUMBEST argument I have ever heard.

If you want to take consumption into factor, lets count by how many rounds are fired then we divided it up by deaths.
How about everytime alcohol is consumed (could be 10 cans a night counted as 1) compared with anytime a gun is fired (in a session).

Seriously, you have 0 grounds. Just STFU, go to bed, and get ready for algebra class tomorrow.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:50 PM   #32
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The fact that you said security of schools are a bigger concern. We can't protect EVERYONE everywhere all the time 24 hours. What's next, security at movie theaters, church, parks? Is security really the problem? It's not. Schools are fine the way they are.

The problem is nutjobs being able to get the guns.
Because any attempt at gun regulation is met by heavily funded, political opposition. It will bring in too many pov's and won't get anything done in the short term. Investing in our schools as well as better securing them is an immediate benefit with a larger multiplier.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:51 PM   #33
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How about everytime alcohol is consumed (could be 10 cans a night counted as 1) compared with anytime a gun is fired (in a session).

Seriously, you have 0 grounds. Just STFU, go to bed, and get ready for algebra class tomorrow.

You are just generalizing on ALL of your arguments.

One nut case killed someone, so we should ban all guns. Thats why gun advocates use the analogy of alocholism and drunk driving because its IDIOTS like you who make this generalization in the first place.

How about making a different argument about rehabilitation on mental health before just deciding, hey lets get rid of all the guns altogether.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:54 PM   #34
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More with the alcohol:

What the F is death caused by alcohol anyways? I should have stopped this conversation before it began. There is simply NO SUCH THING. Alcohol is an indirect cause, it does NOT cause death directly, unless you are talking about alcohol poisoning. Tell me, how do I die from alcohol? Drowning in a pool of vodka? Someone throws a bottle of whisky to my head and kill me?

Drunking driving causing death? Auto accident, the death is caused by the car. A drunk man killing another person? Murder/manslaughter, caused by whatever weapon he used: knife or gun.

On the other hand, GUNS do kill people. Someone kills another guy with a gun, what is cause of death? the Gun. Guns directly cause death to the person.

How the hell do you even start to compare the two? Not to mention no matter how you try to use statistics, it sides with alcohol as less chance of death occurring (close to impossible)
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:59 PM   #35
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There are more guns in this country than there are people. We have reached a point of no return in the amount of firearms in the US. Putting our efforts into things that give real benefits is a much better use of our resources than a superficial change in gun law.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:59 PM   #36
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More with the alcohol:

What the F is death caused by alcohol anyways? I should have stopped this conversation before it began. There is simply NO SUCH THING. Alcohol is an indirect cause, it does NOT cause death directly, unless you are talking about alcohol poisoning. Tell me, how do I die from alcohol? Drowning in a pool of vodka? Someone throws a bottle of whisky to my head and kill me?

Drunking driving causing death? Auto accident, the death is caused by the car. A drunk man killing another person? Murder/manslaughter, caused by whatever weapon he used: knife or gun.

On the other hand, GUNS do kill people. Someone kills another guy with a gun, what is cause of death? the Gun. Guns directly cause death to the person.

How the hell do you even start to compare the two? Not to mention no matter how you try to use statistics, it sides with alcohol as less chance of death occurring (close to impossible)

Argument By Selective Observation:
also called cherry picking, the enumeration of favorable circumstances, or as the philosopher Francis Bacon described it, counting the hits and forgetting the misses. For example, a state boasts of the Presidents it has produced, but is silent about its serial killers. Or, the claim "Technology brings happiness". (Now, there's something with hits and misses.)

Casinos encourage this human tendency. There are bells and whistles to announce slot machine jackpots, but losing happens silently. This makes it much easier to think that the odds of winning are good.


Confusing Correlation And Causation:
earthquakes in the Andes were correlated with the closest approaches of the planet Uranus. Therefore, Uranus must have caused them. (But Jupiter is nearer than Uranus, and more massive too.)
When sales of hot chocolate go up, street crime drops. Does this correlation mean that hot chocolate prevents crime ? No, it means that fewer people are on the streets when the weather is cold.

The bigger a child's shoe size, the better the child's handwriting. Does having big feet make it easier to write ? No, it means the child is older.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:02 PM   #37
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Try to type something that makes sense yourself. If you have the ability to.

Can alcohol directly cause death? Nope.
Can guns directly cause death? Yes.

End of comparison.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:06 PM   #38
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Try to type something that makes sense yourself. If you have the ability to.

Can alcohol directly cause death? Nope.
Can guns directly cause death? Yes.

End of comparison.

Switzerland all people own a gun...lowest homicide rate in the world. Please explain the causation/correlation
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:06 PM   #39
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Try to type something that makes sense yourself. If you have the ability to.

Can alcohol directly cause death? Nope.
Can guns directly cause death? Yes.

End of comparison.
Of course alcohol can directly cause death.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:06 PM   #40
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Exactly. If someone really wanted to go on the rampage, with or without a gun, they can do it.

Who's stopping a nut case from driving a car into a park
Another bad example, until they start regulating guns as much as they regulate cars.

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Of course alcohol can directly cause death.
I assume you mean alcohol poisoning? Or someone being hit over the head with a glass of bottle? Or lung related injuries?
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Switzerland all people own a gun...lowest homicide rate in the world. Please explain the causation/correlation
And all guns are banned in the UK. Check where they are on the chart.



Maybe... culture has something to do with it too?

(PS All guns are banned in Japan too)
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:10 PM   #43
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The case for gun control is a good one. I would ban all firearms except hunting rifles and shotguns for home protection. With the current state of affairs, real money is at stake here and any attempt at regulation is met by heavily funded opposition. If the shooting at the elementary school is the real deciding issue, then why isn't school security being discussed? Why are assault weapons being banned and not handguns which are the majority of gun homicides in the US?
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:11 PM   #44
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And all guns are banned in the UK. Check where they are on the chart.



Maybe... culture has something to do with it too?

(PS All guns are banned in Japan too)
And they're banned in Mexico which has a death rate so high it doesn't fit on the chart.

Already posted in another thread.
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I assume you mean alcohol poisoning? Or someone being hit over the head with a glass of bottle? Or lung related injuries?
Alcohol poisoning is a direct cause of death by alcohol.
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