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Old 12-23-2012, 08:28 PM   #61
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1. Again, Vince Carter has never been a winner. Kobe is a winner. Whoever put Kobe and Vince in the same sentence is a clown. Getting Vince would have been a mistake.


2. Use credible situations. D Will AMD CP3 ARE NOT WANTED IN A CITY WITH A 22 YEAR OLD ALL STAR PG.

3. Players do have trade clauses....there are only certain teams on the market in certain years, and orgs don't want to invest in rentals. Considering that and other factors, players DO have a hand in where they land.

4. You're a bad fan who should leave because you don't fit in, you're pretty delusional, and you hate the FO so much. Go root for a team that has geniuses in the FO like you.
Dude, I'm talking about how Carter was regarded back in 04. Not how his career turned out.

A Rose/Paul or Williams combo could be as lethal as the Badboy Piston teams that were led by Thomas and Dumars.

Not everyone has a no trade clause in their contract. In fact, its rare.

Renting players is another excuse. Howard, Paul, Williams, were traded without a guarantee that they'd resign. The franchise feels their team, city, and fans are good enough that anyone would want to play there. I know i feel if any player played for the Bulls, the fans, the city the venue are more than great and enough to keep them happy. Its obvious you dont think to highly of your team. Maybe you should be the one looking for another team.
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Old 12-23-2012, 08:41 PM   #62
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This dude acts like T MAC, Grant Hill, and Wince Carter were the answers to our problems.
This is hindsight bro. Noone couldve predicted that those three would end up having career altering injuries. Again much like Derrick Rose now. Its possible that he may never regain his form and be the same player that led the Bulls to the 2011 ECF.

The FO messed uo when:

They drafted TT, Fizer, and Curry....mistakes

They passed on or cut Crawford, LMA, and Brandon Roy.....mistakes.


But the things you stated you have no way of proving and furthermore most of the players you stated weren't worth the coin.
The players I mentioned were some of the best players in the league at when they were traded. When did you start following pro basketball?

As far as the Bulls recent draft history, I think its been pretty good. The only total failure was not drafting Aldridge.
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2004 Vince was pretty damn good. He was living up to his Jordan "comparison" at the time. He might not have won anything, and he definitely wasn't the great player he should have been. But to say he wouldn't have helped the organization is outrageous. Not to mention what 97 is trying to say is that AT THE TIME, they were regarded as franchise changing players. I mean you can't tell anyone you wouldn't have wanted Tmac/Hill in 2000, same with Carter in 04 unless you had a top level super star on your team already.

He was also just using Paul/Dwill as points of guys just wanting to be traded, not getting traded to chicago, he was just saying that when guys want out, they may make a preferred destination. But they won't mind going where they do. (aside from dwight's pouting)
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2004 Vince was pretty damn good. He was living up to his Jordan "comparison" at the time. He might not have won anything, and he definitely wasn't the great player he should have been. But to say he wouldn't have helped the organization is outrageous. Not to mention what 97 is trying to say is that AT THE TIME, they were regarded as franchise changing players. I mean you can't tell anyone you wouldn't have wanted Tmac/Hill in 2000, same with Carter in 04 unless you had a top level super star on your team already.

He was also just using Paul/Dwill as points of guys just wanting to be traded, not getting traded to chicago, he was just saying that when guys want out, they may make a preferred destination. But they won't mind going where they do. (aside from dwight's pouting)
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He was also just using Paul/Dwill as points of guys just wanting to be traded, not getting traded to chicago, he was just saying that when guys want out, they may make a preferred destination. But they won't mind going where they do. (aside from dwight's pouting)[quote=Rose]2004 Vince was pretty damn good. He was living up to his Jordan "comparison" at the time. He might not have won anything, and he definitely wasn't the great player he should have been. But to say he wouldn't have helped the organization is outrageous. Not to mention what 97 is trying to say is that AT THE TIME, they were regarded as franchise changing players. I mean you can't tell anyone you wouldn't have wanted Tmac/Hill in 2000, same with Carter in 04 unless you had a top level super star on your team already.

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Exactly. If I remember correct, Howard wanted to go to New Jersey. Williams wanted to go to Dallas, and Paul just wanted to get the **** outta New Orleans.

But I could see either of the two playing alongside Rose similar to how 6'1 Isiah Thomas and 6'3 Joe Dumars did.
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Wait, you wanted us to go after Deron and CP3, while we have Rose? Or is this just another irrelevant rambling?
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Wait, you wanted us to go after Deron and CP3, while we have Rose? Or is this just another irrelevant rambling?
They werent needed. But I wouldnt had said no if asked. My point was they didnt end up where they wanted to go. And the teams that got them, had enough faith in the team, franchise, fans, and venue to pull the trigger anyway.

I feel any player that was traded to Chicago, even if they didnf want to go, would be happy in the long run be auze of all the support they'd get.
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2004 Vince was pretty damn good. He was living up to his Jordan "comparison" at the time. He might not have won anything, and he definitely wasn't the great player he should have been. But to say he wouldn't have helped the organization is outrageous. Not to mention what 97 is trying to say is that AT THE TIME, they were regarded as franchise changing players. I mean you can't tell anyone you wouldn't have wanted Tmac/Hill in 2000, same with Carter in 04 unless you had a top level super star on your team already.

He was also just using Paul/Dwill as points of guys just wanting to be traded, not getting traded to chicago, he was just saying that when guys want out, they may make a preferred destination. But they won't mind going where they do. (aside from dwight's pouting)
Yeah, they do mind. Eric Gordon clearly wanted to be in Phoenix and does not want to be in NO.

T Mac and Vince Carter have never been clear cut franchise players. Vince proved in Toronto that he wasn't a #1 guy and the Bulls made the RIGHT MOVE by not spending miney on these bums. If we would have gotten either of them and been rammed with losing you (or 97 Bulls) would have bitches and moaned bout their poor choice then too.
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2004 Vince was pretty damn good. He was living up to his Jordan "comparison" at the time. He might not have won anything, and he definitely wasn't the great player he should have been. But to say he wouldn't have helped the organization is outrageous. Not to mention what 97 is trying to say is that AT THE TIME, they were regarded as franchise changing players. I mean you can't tell anyone you wouldn't have wanted Tmac/Hill in 2000, same with Carter in 04 unless you had a top level super star on your team already.



Exactly. If I remember correct, Howard wanted to go to New Jersey. Williams wanted to go to Dallas, and Paul just wanted to get the **** outta New Orleans.

But I could see either of the two playing alongside Rose similar to how 6'1 Isiah Thomas and 6'3 Joe Dumars did.

Exactly. Youre blaming the Bulls for not getting two all star point guards when we already have one. Youre insane.

Basically youre making the Bulls responsible for every FA they didn't sign.

It's pointless talking to you you're a lost cause because whatever hapoens you WANT to blame the FO for not putting together a fantasy team.
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2004 Vince was pretty damn good. He was living up to his Jordan "comparison" at the time.


What were you like 12 back then?

You sound like a crack head.....Vince has always been soft, inconsistent, poor on defense, a sub par passer, and rather pouty.
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He was also just using Paul/Dwill as points of guys just wanting to be traded, not getting traded to chicago, he was just saying that when guys want out, they may make a preferred destination. But they won't mind going where they do. (aside from dwight's pouting)

Exactly. Youre blaming the Bulls for not getting two all star point guards when we already have one. Youre insane.

Basically youre making the Bulls responsible for every FA they didn't sign.

It's pointless talking to you you're a lost cause because whatever hapoens you WANT to blame the FO for not putting together a fantasy team.
Its onvious you just dont comprehend what im saying. Im not blaming the Bulls for not signing Paul or Williams. Crystallas originally asked me what great players have been available since 98. I listed them. And he asked that because He feels as if im blaming the Bulls for not getting Lebron James. Im saying there have been many franchise level players available besides James. And we havnt been able to sign one of them or trade for one. The best weve been able to get is "C" list type players. And I attribute that to the Bulls being cheap, the GM being too cautious and inept, the owner basically saying he doesnt take basketball serioisly, and big name players not wanting to come here because they saw how Jordan, Pippen, and Jackson were treated.
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Its onvious you just dont comprehend what im saying. Im not blaming the Bulls for not signing Paul or Williams. Crystallas originally asked me what great players have been available since 98. I listed them. And he asked that because He feels as if im blaming the Bulls for not getting Lebron James. Im saying there have been many franchise level players available besides James. And we havnt been able to sign one of them or trade for one. The best weve been able to get is "C" list type players. And I attribute that to the Bulls being cheap, the GM being too cautious and inept, the owner basically saying he doesnt take basketball serioisly, and big name players not wanting to come here because they saw how Jordan, Pippen, and Jackson were treated.
1. You are blaming them when you list guys that make not one iota of sense on our roster

2. Jordan got paid 25 million dollars for on freaking season did he not? He sacrificed because he was getting paid out the ass from Nike so we could field a complete team. He wanted to be the GM, coach, and go to player and in retrospect we got rid of Jordan at the right time because he never won outside of the Bulls colors. As mad as I was as a kid Jerry was right, Jordan didn't win all those championships, an organization of people did, Jordan just had perfect timing, opportunity, and a flair for the dramatic to go with good luck and of course impeccable talent.

This organization is one that builds through the draft and doesn't really hunt big names. It's insanity to blame them and tear yourself up over something that ain't gonna happen. The org had a good plan....Rose just got hurt...We are still in a good position to compete. Your analysis is still poor....and you're a horrible excuse for a Bulls fan.


What part of Chicago are you from?
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1. You are blaming them when you list guys that make not one iota of sense on our roster
All I did was answer a question. Obviously some were morebof a perfect fit than others. But my point was they were to be had.


2. Jordan got paid 25 million dollars for on freaking season did he not? He sacrificed because he was getting paid out the ass from Nike so we could field a complete team. He wanted to be the GM, coach, and go to player and in retrospect we got rid of Jordan at the right time because he never won outside of the Bulls colors. As mad as I was as a kid Jerry was right, Jordan didn't win all those championships, an organization of people did, Jordan just had perfect timing, opportunity, and a flair for the dramatic to go with good luck and of course impeccable talent.
They didnt just get rid of Jordan bro. They got rid of everyone. And that decision backfired twofold. They failed yo get the players they wanted, and young up and comming players wanted no part of an organization that ran their team that way.


This organization is one that builds through the draft and doesn't really hunt big names. It's insanity to blame them and tear yourself up over something that ain't gonna happen. The org had a good plan....Rose just got hurt...We are still in a good position to compete. Your analysis is still poor....and you're a horrible excuse for a Bulls fan.
They broke up a championship team in an effort to try to sign two big names. They broke up two good young rosters with the excuse that theyre gonna go after a big name FA. Even more two big name FAs.

What part of Chicago are you from?
Im not fron Chicago, Im from Aurora Ill. But my family moved to LA when I was 9. And I still live in LA.
I never said they werent in a good position now. But I do question theyre commitment to winning championships. I also feel this team even with Rose is just not good enough to get over the hump and beat Miami. Or OKC. We need another great player. A player that can take over games when the time is needed outside of Rose. We have a "good" team. We need a great team.

Now think about this. No player has ever won with a "good" team. Not Wilt, not Jordan, not Magic, James, Bird, Duncan, Shaq. But you think Rose will be able? All those guys had multiple hall of fame type players around them. The best argument would probaby be Dirk, and he still had great team. Kidds going to the Hall, Chandler, Terry, and Marion is a great core.

How many hall of fame caliber players are on this team after Rose. Not one. He needs help.
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Aurora. Makea perfect sense.

No one knows exactly why the team was broken up. Stop lying like you're close to the team. I'm done participating in threads about bitching and whining. Like you said, the franchise is going in the right direction but D Rose needs help, particularly in the scoring department.

You suck as a Bulls fan. Happy holidays.

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What were you like 12 back then?

You sound like a crack head.....Vince has always been soft, inconsistent, poor on defense, a sub par passer, and rather pouty.
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At that point in time Vince had done the following: a 4 time all star, ROY, 2 all nba teams (second and third) and missed 67 games by the time 03-04 started. After being in the league 5 years. BARELY missed out on the finals, and had been very consistent. He wasn't a great defender by any means I'll admit that, but he DID play defense. And wasn't pouty at all. He didn't demand to be traded till the next year. After rumors had started.

Vince didn't get the loser label till he got traded to the Nets, and they never even sniffed the finals. And then it got worse as his tenure there went on.

And for the record I never wanted Vince, nor CP3, D-will, or just about anyone. Aside from Dwight, Bosh(free agency not trade), and Kobe. But Kobe obviously was never going to come here without Deng staying.

Oh and you're right EJ is another exception, I forgot about him wanting to be in Phoenix.
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