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Old 12-20-2012, 12:05 PM   #1
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Default You are the mainstream, stop hating it (Rap is not dead Pt.2)

We've gone over this topic somewhat before in a previous topic about rap not being dead, but very much alive and thriving. Some agree, others didn't. In this topic i want to expand on that, because some even have this idea that the reason they believe rap (or music in general) isn't as good as it used to be is because its less raw, its all for the money, and it didn't used to be that way. This couldn't be further from the truth. Whether you want to argue that artist are just as hungry as they ever were or that the past great artist were just as much in it for the money as any artist are today. Where this topic gets started is with this; its not the music that has changed, its the audiences, us, the mainstream. We always have and always will dictate whats popular and promoted.

Rap is not dead. There are plenty of fresh artist who are the evolution of pac, big, and wu tang. This may not be reflective in the mainstream, but that has less to do with the current state of rap and more to do with the average consumer. The mainstream will always reflect the average consumer; if you want to change the mainstream then you must start with the audience it caters to. For rap on the radio to be smarter or less commercial (dumb down), people need to be smarter and better educated to have a taste or interest in a sound/message with depth or simply less hollow than the average pop hit today. This applies to anything within the mainstream. It's the job of the advertisers, CEOs, and business in general to make a profit at the least expense to their pockets; if the mainstream is successful in selling sex, drugs, and partying, then that is reflective of what the consumer desires. Its not the job of profit seekers to re-educate the consumer, that task is for their community, parents, teachers, or whomever you feel is responsible for an individual's quality of interest.

As long as the game is to be sold and not told, this is how it will always work. I've heard plenty of rap artist say that the reason you get a sound in the mainstream that feels less "raw", is because the consumer eats that up much more than it would a common day 2Pac. The only thing that has changed in music over the last few decades is that there are more musicians and more creativity that spawned out of love for past greats. The fact that this may not seem evident in the mainstream has little to do with the state of music, but rather the state of us, as people.

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Old 12-20-2012, 12:12 PM   #2
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Default Re: You are the mainstream, stop hating it (Rap is not dead Pt.2)

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We've gone over this topic somewhat before in a previous topic about rap not being dead, but very much alive and thriving. Some agree, others didn't. In this topic i want to expand on that, because some even have this idea that the reason they believe rap (or music in general) isn't as good as it used to be is because its less raw, its all for the money, and it didn't used to be that way. This couldn't be further from the truth. Whether you want to argue that artist are just as hungry as they ever were or that the past great artist were just as much in it for the money as any artist are today. Where this topic gets started is with this; its not the music that has changed, its the audiences, us, the mainstream. We always have and always will dictate whats popular and promoted.

Rap is not dead. There are plenty of fresh artist who are the evolution of pac, big, and wu tang. This may not be reflective in the mainstream, but that has less to do with the current state of rap and more to do with the average consumer. The mainstream will always reflect the average consumer; if you want to change the mainstream then you must start with the audience it caters to. For rap on the radio to be smarter or less commercial (dumb down), people need to be smarter and better educated to have a taste or interest in a sound/message with depth or simply less hollow than the average pop hit today. This applies to anything within the mainstream. It's the job of the advertisers, CEOs, and business in general to make a profit at the least expense to their pockets; if the mainstream is successful in selling sex, drugs, and partying, then that is reflective of what the consumer desires. Its not the job of profit seekers to re-educate the consumer, that task is for their community, parents, teachers, or whomever you feel is responsible for an individual's quality of interest.

As long as the game is to be sold and not told, this is how it will always work. I've heard plenty of rap artist say that the reason you get a sound in the mainstream that feels less "raw", is because the consumer eats that up much more than it would a common day 2Pac. The only thing that has changed in music over the last few decades is that there are more musicians and more creativity that spawned out of love for past greats. The fact that this may not seem evident in the mainstream has little to do with the state of music, but rather the state of us, as people.

Discuss.

rap is dead!

country music is popular but it didnt water down to appease certain audience did it?no

music these days cant be put into one category....everything is just pop....name a rand b album?? u cant...name a hip hop album?u cant anymore......its like r and b,rap,techno etc have all been fused to make this one genre of music and its trash.

i could give a damn about mainstream....i want QUALITY MUSIC.

fcuk the masses.....artist make more off shows these days anyway so who cares about album sales? nobody!

rap is dead...its been dead....so idk y u insist on sayin its not.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:16 PM   #3
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Default Re: You are the mainstream, stop hating it (Rap is not dead Pt.2)

The only people that think rap is dead are people that don't even listen to rap. Maybe they used to, but they're just mad because their favorite artist is now a washed up has-been.
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:19 PM   #4
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Default Re: You are the mainstream, stop hating it (Rap is not dead Pt.2)

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rap is dead!

country music is popular but it didnt water down to appease certain audience did it?no

music these days cant be put into one category....everything is just pop....name a rand b album?? u cant...name a hip hop album?u cant anymore......its like r and b,rap,techno etc have all been fused to make this one genre of music and its trash.

i could give a damn about mainstream....i want QUALITY MUSIC.

fcuk the masses.....artist make more off shows these days anyway so who cares about album sales? nobody!

rap is dead...its been dead....so idk y u insist on sayin its not.

Yeah i don't think you are listening. Re-read at least the last paragraph. All the artist are out there making great music.

Using country is a bad example. I've heard plenty of their fans talk about how it has also been dumbed down in comparison to the past. And while i don't listen to a lot of country, i've listen to many country artist past and present and do notice a difference in the overall sound. A lot of what is being labeled as country is just pop. Not to mention its a genre that is not as analyzed as rap. What is a "country" song has always been blurred along the line, as in the past even blues could be considered country music

But in the end, this has a lot less to do with what genre we feel is alive or dead, and everything to due with consumers painting that picture.
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:56 PM   #5
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Default Re: You are the mainstream, stop hating it (Rap is not dead Pt.2)

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rap is dead!

country music is popular but it didnt water down to appease certain audience did it?no

music these days cant be put into one category....everything is just pop....name a rand b album?? u cant...name a hip hop album?u cant anymore......its like r and b,rap,techno etc have all been fused to make this one genre of music and its trash.

i could give a damn about mainstream....i want QUALITY MUSIC.

fcuk the masses.....artist make more off shows these days anyway so who cares about album sales? nobody!

rap is dead...its been dead....so idk y u insist on sayin its not.


You clearly dont know anything about country music. There has been a significant "watering down" of country music over the last 3 or so decades. To the point that there is now a completely separate genre of music that spans most traditional forms of country music.


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Michael Kiwanuka – Home Again
Frank Ocean – Channel Orange

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Old 12-20-2012, 02:19 PM   #6
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Default Re: You are the mainstream, stop hating it (Rap is not dead Pt.2)

People just have this inability to accept change and welcome new things. I have seen people reject music before giving it a chance just because its new or its X artist
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:34 PM   #7
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Default Re: You are the mainstream, stop hating it (Rap is not dead Pt.2)

music this day sucks compared to music of the 90's,80's etc.just really no comparison.everything is watered down.dumb hooks.no message in the music.whats the point of listening if there is no message? im assuming alot of u guys on here are young as hell so i understand how yall could feel the music yall listen to is so GREAT but its really,really not.

music is becoming like alot of things.remember things that used to be good but really just not that good anymore....examples????? sure

mcdonalds
videogames
p.u.s.s.y
cable tv

u get the point but hey im old school so idk how u young bucks think
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Old 12-20-2012, 02:38 PM   #8
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people in the present always wanna think "their" stuff is good. Just like people pretend this generation of singers are even close to past generations.
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Old 12-20-2012, 03:03 PM   #9
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Rap is alive.. Hip hop is dead and stinkin
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people in the present always wanna think "their" stuff is good. Just like people pretend this generation of singers are even close to past generations.
Ignorant to say the least.
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Old 12-20-2012, 06:23 PM   #11
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Ignorant to say the least.


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Old 12-20-2012, 06:45 PM   #12
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Default Re: You are the mainstream, stop hating it (Rap is not dead Pt.2)

It depends on what the argument is.

Rap is dead. What does that actually mean? Does that mean there is no good rap out there? I don't think so. I think the argument is that big market rap has gone away from being real good stuff. Music on the radio is mostly garbage imo.

And you're right it's the market dictating who gets popular. But it isn't US that is the issue. I personally am not going out and buying like Drake. It is the casual market. The reason these pop artists are so big is because they can cross markets. The hardcore market will always be smaller than the casual market.

But anyone whining that they can't find good music? Like... do you have the internet? Problem solved.
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Old 12-20-2012, 06:48 PM   #13
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Default Re: You are the mainstream, stop hating it (Rap is not dead Pt.2)

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rap is dead!

country music is popular but it didnt water down to appease certain audience did it?no

music these days cant be put into one category....everything is just pop....name a rand b album?? u cant...name a hip hop album?u cant anymore......its like r and b,rap,techno etc have all been fused to make this one genre of music and its trash.

i could give a damn about mainstream....i want QUALITY MUSIC.

fcuk the masses.....artist make more off shows these days anyway so who cares about album sales? nobody!

rap is dead...its been dead....so idk y u insist on sayin its not.

A couple of people have already pointed this out, but country's a TERRIBLE example to use. It has been watered down significantly every decade, to where it sounds more like boring, contemporary pop than country music.
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Old 12-20-2012, 07:12 PM   #14
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Rap died the moment "gangsta" happened. It went from something great to pretend-gangster.
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Old 12-20-2012, 07:23 PM   #15
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Default Re: You are the mainstream, stop hating it (Rap is not dead Pt.2)

Rap is more popular now than ever and it has more fans. Problem is, that is actually a bad thing since most of those fans are casual fans.

The image has also become more important than the skills. There's more people listening to fit in with the cool crowd now and pretend they are gangsta than there was before.

Not too hard to comprehend.



New Rap albums I've gotten this year: Slaugtherhouse's 2nd album, Good Kid M.a.a.d City, Joe Budden's mixtape

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