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Old 12-26-2012, 06:37 AM   #31
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once again the fiction book loses against logic and fact

"please stop pointing out that my belief system makes no sense.... i cant handle the truth"
What logic? You would like people to use your written work as shit rags. Seeing your posts, it would be necessarily a shit rag.
You're on the little hook that it's fiction. It doesn't matter if it's "obsolete fiction" There is plenty of archaeological, historical, and sociological value and insights that you can get from the Bible and its use in history. Continue to be douche because of your disdain for people who have different beliefs than you.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:38 AM   #32
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There is plenty of archaeological, historical, and sociological value and insights that you can get from the Bible and its use in history. Continue to be douche because of your disdain for people who have different beliefs than you.

Theres at the very least a million books that can claim the same thing, what makes this one special?
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:45 AM   #33
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Because the overall process of picking and choosing is influenced by social and literary sources outside of the bible.
It's a man made literary work that is open to interpretation. I still don't see how society influencing what parts people choose to believe means the Bible isn't a core source of their beliefs.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:48 AM   #34
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"I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees".

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Old 12-26-2012, 06:49 AM   #35
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Theres at the very least a million books that can claim the same thing, what makes this one special?
Because there is over 6 billion copies worldwide?
Because it was used as tool for political power and gives sociological insight?
Because it is the basis of a religion that has almost 2 billion self proclaimed believers?
Because it has been a significant source for archaeology and descriptions from Biblical text has been used to help discover ancient cities?
Because it has historically corresponding events with early historians?
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:13 AM   #36
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Because there is over 6 billion copies worldwide?
Because it was used as tool for political power and gives sociological insight?
Because it is the basis of a religion that has almost 2 billion self proclaimed believers?
Because it has been a significant source for archaeology and descriptions from Biblical text has been used to help discover ancient cities?
Because it has historically corresponding events with early historians?

None of those things essentially mean jack shit or are fundamentally false.

its not a popularity contest the amount of sales hardly influences its validity or greatness,

It has also been used as a tool for evil, political schemes and oppression.

An almost unquestioned basis whereby people are brainwashed as children and no decisions are made based on fact by them when they are capable adults, if you are told that it is true by your parents, teachers, preachers and church when you are young you will inevitable believe it, at least untill you do the research yourself and make an informed decision - which almost nobody does, people are shocked when the realize how flawed it is.

Like what? What places have been found that would not have been found without guidance from the bible and what about the many places revealed in the bible have never been found - Where is the Garden of Eden? Where is Lazarus Tomb? Where is Jesus' Tomb? - And what about the fact that these ancient cities you claim the bible help to find have maintained their names since the time of the writing of the bible, how hard is it to find if it has been called the same thing for 2000 years? What about the numerous cities named in the bible that have never been found?

I dont even know what the **** your last thing means

Your a ****ing half-wit, GTFOH
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:39 AM   #37
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None of those things essentially mean jack shit or are fundamentally false.
What? It does have value in a wide range of subjects.

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its not a popularity contest the amount of sales hardly influences its validity or greatness,
That's why it has its value in sociology. 2 billion people still believing in Christianity is not a worthy phenomenon to study?
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It has also been used as a tool for evil, political schemes and oppression.
Um yeah. That's why its important to study how it was used historically and sociologically.

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An almost unquestioned basis whereby people are brainwashed as children and no decisions are made based on fact by them when they are capable adults, if you are told that it is true by your parents, teachers, preachers and church when you are young you will inevitable believe it, at least untill you do the research yourself and make an informed decision - which almost nobody does, people are shocked when the realize how flawed it is.
This has nothing to do with the post you responded too.
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Like what? What places have been found that would not have been found without guidance from the bible and what about the many places revealed in the bible have never been found - Where is the Garden of Eden? Where is Lazarus Tomb? Where is Jesus' Tomb? - And what about the fact that these ancient cities you claim the bible help to find have maintained their names since the time of the writing of the bible, how hard is it to find if it has been called the same thing for 2000 years? What about the numerous cities named in the bible that have never been found?
I never said that the Bible is an infallible source of archaeology. Archaeologists use literary works like the Bible and Illead to look for clues to pick a site to excavate. Do they excavate with no reference?

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I dont even know what the **** your last thing means

Your a ****ing half-wit, GTFOH
It's because you're the halfwit. It's basically saying that the Bible has some historical value. Your post reads like you think I'm arguing for the Bible as infallible and that I believe in it. If you do think that, you made a horrible assumption. If you want my opinion, the Bible and religion are man made social phenomena and they need to be studied to get an accurate picture of the ancient world.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:02 AM   #38
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Poor reply, bad job, bad effort
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:45 AM   #39
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Its good if you like fables and fairytales and such.
Didnt have to scroll far.

The bible is a great book with many lessons that a lot of people could learn from and apply to their lives.
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:15 AM   #40
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No that Zeitgeist BS again. A bunch of BS made up by a 19th century poet named Gerald Massey. No respected historian in the world claim those "facts" about those deities.

Read it and learn http://conspiracies.skepticproject.c...geist/part-one An article ((with all the references) made by a non christian debunking all that BS.

Even militant atheists like historian Richard Carrier and those guys from the Atheist Experience show think Zeitgeist is BS.

Example: Horus wasn't born of a virgin, on the 25th dec, a teacher at 12, he wasn't crucified, he did not ressurect, he wasn't know as the Light, God's sheperd. There were no star in the east, no 12 disciples. It's all made up by Gerald Massey (lamer in history).

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Claimed parallels between Horus and Jesus

One of the more sensational aspects of Massey's writings were the parallels he drew between the Christian god Jesus of Nazareth and the Egyptian god Horus. These comparisons are primarily contained in his book The Natural Genesis. Massey's writings on this subject have influenced various later authors such as Alvin Boyd Kuhn, Tom Harpur, and Acharya S.[5]

Some of the similarities that Massey claimed existed are that they both

Were born of virgins on December 25
Taught in a temple as a child at age 12
Were teachers who had 12 Disciples
Were baptized in a river
Gave a sermon on the mount
Healed the sick
Raised men from the dead (El-Asar-Us for Horus, Lazarus for Jesus)
Died by crucifixion
Were resurrected three days later.[6]


Criticism from scholars

W. Ward Gasque, a Ph.D from Harvard and Manchester University conducted an international poll of twenty Egyptologists - including Professor Kenneth Kitchen of the University of Liverpool and Ron Leprohan, Professor of Egyptology at the University of Toronto - in Canada, US, UK, Australia, Germany, and Austria to verify academic support for these claims. The scholars were unanimous in dismissing the claims

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Massey

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Old 12-26-2012, 11:41 AM   #41
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Default Re: The overwhelming splendor and excellence of the Bible cannot be disputed

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It's a man made literary work that is open to interpretation. I still don't see how society influencing what parts people choose to believe means the Bible isn't a core source of their beliefs.

If you can't even abstractly understand what I am saying then I probably can't help you. There is a difference between understanding and accepting. I honestly don't understand how you cannot understand my point (well I can hazard a guess and say you are either ignorant, delusional, or operating in a massive effort of cognitive dissonance).
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:35 PM   #42
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I'm always surprised by the amount of people here who have read the bible. I've never known anyone who has. I tried opening it up once, shit was unreadable.

Nothing against Christians though, except when they tell me I'm going to hell
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Old 12-26-2012, 12:49 PM   #43
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Nothing against Christians though, except when they tell me I'm going to hell

You're going to a special layer of hell where Jurassic Park plays on a loop for all eternity
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Old 12-26-2012, 01:02 PM   #44
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I'm always surprised by the amount of people here who have read the bible. I've never known anyone who has. I tried opening it up once, shit was unreadable.

Nothing against Christians though, except when they tell me I'm going to hell
You're reading the wrong Bible, my friend.

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Old 12-26-2012, 01:05 PM   #45
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Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy; for I am the Lord your God. Keep my statutes, and observe them; I am the Lord; I sanctify you.
All who curse father or mother shall be put to death; having cursed father or mother, their blood is upon them.

If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. The man who lies with his father's wife has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.

If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them.

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. [Leviticus, chapter 20]
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