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Old 01-07-2013, 12:12 AM   #121
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The jury seems to be out on Justin Martyr. I've seen all kinds of things questioning him. That he was controversial...questioning if he was a saint, apostate, heretic. I won't form an opinion on him before I at least feel I know enough about him to

Wondering what you thought about the videos I posted on the last page?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg

Do you find inaccuracies in what he is describing?
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:15 AM   #122
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Wondering what you thought about the videos I posted on the last page?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg

Do you find inaccuracies in what he is describing?
I haven't watched them, I will now..and this one

If I am to believe that the Bible is truth, nothing like this will ever surprise me as it hints it time and again. Continuing to watch

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Old 01-07-2013, 01:48 AM   #123
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Default Re: The overwhelming splendor and excellence of the Bible cannot be disputed

i see nothing wrong with making fun of someone's religion.

imaging a dude who sees his toilet bowl as his god and he worships that toilet bowl. every morning, he makes a prayer to that toilet bowl, and all his faith belongs to the toilet bowl. granted, he may be a nice person, but he's still worshipping a f--king toilet bowl.

i don't really see a difference between christians and that guy worshipping his toilet bowl.

both believe in the same kind of faith. it doesn't necessarily make them bad people, but they're both funny. if you must respect christians, then you must also respect the guy worshipping his toilet bowl.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:52 AM   #124
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i see nothing wrong with making fun of someone's religion.

imaging a dude who sees his toilet bowl as his god and he worships that toilet bowl. every morning, he makes a prayer to that toilet bowl, and all his faith belongs to the toilet bowl. granted, he may be a nice person, but he's still worshipping a f--king toilet bowl.

i don't really see a difference between christians and that guy worshipping his toilet bowl.

both believe in the same kind of faith. it doesn't necessarily make them bad people, but they're both funny. if you must respect christians, then you must also respect the guy worshipping his toilet bowl.

Hitchens makes a good point on the mockery of religion. http://youtu.be/8t4VhQX5Ckk?t=1m21s

Although the distinction should be made about the mockery of a belief system and mockery of the individual. Those are two different exercises.

"One of the beginnings of human emancipation is the ability to laugh at authority."

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Old 01-07-2013, 03:04 AM   #125
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I thought most people realized wizards and fantasies weren't real by time they were in their teens?
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:45 PM   #126
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I haven't watched them, I will now..and this one

If I am to believe that the Bible is truth, nothing like this will ever surprise me as it hints it time and again. Continuing to watch

So what is your opinion?
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:18 AM   #127
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You know what I never understood about the major religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam). God decided to reveal his word to some group of special people in those days but how come he cant reveal to us? What makes them worthy?

We are asked to believe in some books that we have 0 clues regarding their origins.
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This is an interesting video on the history of the Bible and God, I have posted it on here before.

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnnWbkMlbg

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPfFx9JTQl8
So I'm gonna sum this video up as best I can to try to simplify what I need to respond to, or better yet I'll respond to what stood out most to me. It'd be ideal for me that you summarized what you wanted me to speak on or at least point out some specifics

One thing was the reference of Deuteronomy 5:7. But what is the video claiming by this reference? Is it an attempt show that the religion at that point was polytheism? What is he saying from (11:29-11:33), sounds like "Indicates that even josias believed in the existence of other Gods"? And is he claiming right afterward that Judaism was originally Monolatrist Polytheism?

Judaism has always been monotheistic, some Israelites however would join with various local cults surrounding them in worshipping of other gods. That law was given to them, the astray-ed Israelites. Baal was one of them, he can be considered a competitor at the time

"Other gods" is the equivalence of idols everywhere its seen in the Bible

One thing about the video is that I often found myself responding to something said in it only to be told why I couldn't respond that way moments afterward because so and so says that something was revised

For example, the video referencing Isaiah 44:6 as the birth of monotheism(13:25-13:33). I'm thinking to myself, "so what about similar verses that appear way before this?". Only thereafter the guy says basically that every similar verse that comes before this one was a revision. Then I'm thinking to myself, "okay, now I have to look for his source that makes him believe that every single verse thats similar to that one was revised once this one came about"

Theres some specifics you want me to cover so point them out. Even better would be a paraphrase. I'll always respond unless I come out and say I won't. Respect my time and I will yours

EDIT: "Judaism has always been monotheistic". I originally had "Judaism was originally henotheistic"

Other gods are certainly mentioned/prohibited, but only in the context that other people worshiped them(idols), not that they were actually believed to have existed (in the Torah, by faithful Israelites)

Then again, this all goes back to their claim of what was revised...

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