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Old 12-28-2012, 03:42 PM   #31
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Clippers have also probably the best scoring of the bench, 64 points of the bench last night for example... and its not like CP3 is even in the game when the bench goes in... His team is loaded with firepower....

"This year i have sat out more 4th quarters then ive sat my entire career combined" - Chris Paul after last nights win over Boston

Thats not something Lebron/Durant can say right now... The only time they can sit out 4th quarters only sometimes is after dropping a 20-30 point triple double or a 40++ point game as maybe they blew out the other team... in 3 quarters...
They could sit out if they were blowing teams out by 15-20 you genius
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:46 PM   #32
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How long did it take for you to pry your man pleasing fingers fro. lebri.'s **** so you could type this.

Statistically, CP3 may never even come close to LeBron but as far as impact on the Clippers franchise and creating a culture of winning?


Idk, Paul may be able to do in LA what LeBron was not willing to do in CLE.


Again, seeing as though the only basketball you've experienced is 2k and pickuo games with your scrub friends I understand how you could latch onto the best player in the NBA and hold on for dear life. Those of us that play ball know there is MORE value in a guy that can bring people together for the purpose of winning than a person that outs together sexy stat lines.

Besides your ignorant and delusional words whats your point?

What Chris Paul is doing individually compared to Lebron/Durant is LESS
What Chris Paul have to do for his team to win compared to Lebron/Durant is LESS
What Chris Pauls teammates are doing overall across the roster compared Lebrons/Durants teammates is a bit MORE (i can show you if you want)

Its very simple... Chris Paul is a MVP contender, but does not deserve more of that attention than Lebron or Durant.... then you can go and throw your insults as much as you want...
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:47 PM   #33
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They could sit out if they were blowing teams out by 15-20 you genius

What Lebron/Durant have to do for that to happen is much much much more than Chris Paul has to do.... genius... Last night Chris Paul/Clippers blew out Celtics, having 8 points (3 of 11) and 11 assists... do you think that is enough for Lebron/Durant to do the same? Even for one single game? Yes, if only they also had 6+ other guys that could go of for double digit points anytime without them having anything to do with it...

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Old 12-28-2012, 03:54 PM   #34
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Besides your ignorant and delusional words whats your point?

What Chris Paul is doing individually compared to Lebron/Durant is LESS
What Chris Paul have to do for his team to win compared to Lebron/Durant is LESS
What Chris Pauls teammates are doing overall across the roster compared Lebrons/Durants teammates is a bit MORE (i can show you if you want)

Its very simple... Chris Paul is a MVP contender, but does not deserve more of that attention than Lebron or Durant.... then you can go and throw your insults as much as you want...
They are truths. Thats why they hurt you. I can't be the only one that says you have a boarderline gay obsession with LeBron James.


I never said anything about LeBron being inferior in any facet of the game. Turn your lust-o-meter down a few notches and comprehend what I am saying.

Changing the lowly Clippers from laughing stock to the winningest team in the league is something you build legendary status off of. With Paul, and make no doubt about it, they play like a cohesive unit, with heart and relative smarts because, in large part to Paul (it ain't VDN that's for sure Ehh Bull's fans)......which is why he deserves MVP consideration. It is a REGULAR SEASON AWARD, so if Paul leads the Clips to the best record in the league he deserves the award in my book.


The Heat and Thunder are more talented than the Clippers are they not?


*I knew you'd be a buster and mention points lmao.

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Old 12-28-2012, 03:58 PM   #35
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What Lebron/Durant have to do for that to happen is much much much more than Chris Paul has to do.... genius... Last night Chris Paul/Clippers blew out Celtics, having 8 points (3 of 11) and 11 assists... do you think that is enough for Lebron/Durant to do the same? Even for one single game? Yes, if only they also had 6+ other guys that could go of for double digit points anytime without them having anything to do with it...
Ray Allen
Chris Bosh
Mike Miller
Shane Battier
D Wade
R. Lewis

That's not 6 players that could go off for double digits on any night?
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:59 PM   #36
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Pauk, I thought you recently said the MVP should go to the best player on the best team?
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:06 PM   #37
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Default Re: Not Sure Why CP3 Isn't Getting More MVP Attention

Paul is obviously a candidate. And for anyone to say that because of this team's depth, he doesn't belong in that conversation, must not have noticed the fact that Lebron won an MVP with DWade and Bosh as his 2nd and 3rd options, and pretty decent depth behind them in terms of perimeter talent at least...and it's even better this year.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:49 PM   #38
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Ray Allen
Chris Bosh
Mike Miller
Shane Battier
D Wade
R. Lewis

That's not 6 players that could go off for double digits on any night?

"Could..." but are they and how much did they compared to Chris Pauls?

If you are really gona act so stupid, then here it goes...

Miamis current productions without Lebron:
74.4 ppg (bench: 25.5 ppg)
29.3 rpg (bench: 9.5 rpg
15.6 apg (bench: 5.5 apg)
6.8 spg (bench: 2.4 spg)
3.8 bpg (bench: 1.0 bpg)

Clippers current productions without CP3:
87.1 ppg (bench: 45.1 ppg)
38.9 rpg (bench: 19.1 rpg)
15.1 apg (bench: 9.1 apg)
8.5 spg (bench: 5.2 spg)
6.6 bpg (bench: 3.8 bpg)


Do you see the RIDICILOUS difference now in what Lebron compared to Chris Paul has to work with!?

Yes Lebron has Wade & Bosh.... but thats it..... and even those two are inconsistant, miss games and one specifically (Wade) is not playing like his old self either....

There is a reason why Chris Paul doesnt have to average close to a 26 point triple double and play dpoy/1st all-defensive type of defense and play/guard almost all positions for his team to win...... there is a reason why he can do much less and still have the best record in the NBA.... see above again if you sometimes forget...

Despite this, Lebron has the best record in the east and one of the best records in the NBA makes him an EASY favorite over Chris Paul for MVP...

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Old 12-28-2012, 04:55 PM   #39
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Pauk, I thought you recently said the MVP should go to the best player on the best team?

Yes, but not that literally speaking... MVP should go to the best player (most important/valuable player) on one of those top 3-4 teams.... who the MVP is out of that bunch (3-4 best players on those teams) is based on their productions/performance compared to eachother and most importantly based on what they had to work with around them compared to eachother.... If you go by this criteria you will figure out that anyone who ever won the MVP was the correct & best choice, every single year...

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Old 12-28-2012, 05:03 PM   #40
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why does paul get all the credit for "turning the clippers around" ... that is just laughable to me ... guess what, they were not a terrible team in 2010-2011 ... if they hadn't started off terribly in november, they might have been in the chase for the playoffs. blake griffin is A NUMBER 1 DRAFT PICK and a petty big talent (even if he has his flaws). to me, his arrival was the light at the end of the tunnel for them ... and then of course they've gotten better because blake, deandre, and bledsoe have gotten better and they've added some big contributors in paul, butler, crawford, and barnes

paul is a very, very good player and obviously bringing him on made this team better ... but these false narratives geeeezzzzz ... there are a lot of reasons for the clippers' turnaround, NOT just chris paul

and let's look at how "lebron turned the heat around" ... THEY WENT TO THE FINALS THE FIRST YEAR HE JOINED THEM!!!!
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:03 PM   #41
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the clippers are good but cp3 isnt really putting up mvp type numbers.....like he did the year kobe won mvp and he finished second.....dont get me wrong cp3 is still one hell of a stud and they prolly wouldt be as good without him..but its just too many people contributing for cp3 to be in the mvp discussion....they pretty much have a 11 man rotation..and cp3 dont even play much in 4th quarters so no he doesnt deserve mvp....at this moment....now lets say a few people get hurt...and cp3 is forced to play more mins and what not...and his numbers increase....then just maybe....but right now its melo,durant and lebron.PERIOD
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:31 PM   #42
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Threads like this expose kids who don't play ball. Wins>Stats.


To the topic, you guys are comparing 3 small forwards who are their team's #1 scoring options, to a point guard who does his position's job the best in the entire league
No shit their stats are going to be different
Their roles are completely different on their respective teams. The MVP race in my opinion is gonna be between LJ/CP/KD
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:34 PM   #43
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CP3, Durant, and LeBron are the 3 main candidates. In the end it will come down to team record, and how these players perform down the stretch.
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Old 12-28-2012, 05:37 PM   #44
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One more thing, this is exactly why (see above) you can NEVER use "But Lebron plays with Wade/Bosh" as an excuse.... The only time you could use that excuse when comparing for example Lebron to CP3s MVP case is if Wade/Bosh averaged about 15 more points, 12 more rebounds, 4 more blocks and 3 more steals (simply enough for Miami to outproduce Clippers roster)... thats what Lebron will need from them to keep up with Clippers (without CP3) productions... either Wade/Bosh will have to do it or everybody else and those sure aint capable of doing it and guess what neither are Wade/Bosh... Because for that to happen Wade will need to average something like at least 30-11-6-3-2 while Bosh averages at least 26-13-3-2-2.... and they are nowhere that good... Lebron is not playing with Oscar Robertson and Shaquille Oneal for the love of god....

4 guys averaging close to 10 ppg each is more than two averaging 19 ppg (thats where Boshs/Wades current ppg meet in the middle) each

Use some logic... please...

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CP3, Durant, and LeBron are the 3 main candidates. In the end it will come down to team record, and how these players perform down the stretch.


In whose opinion are they the 3 main candidates and Melo isn't. Carmelo and the Knicks are the story to watch this year for MVP, and it's going to be there all year, because he can back up the NY hype machine.

The only question will be how his stats look after Amare fits in. I don't doubt that he will have a problem slowing down on his scoring load.
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