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Old 12-29-2012, 07:46 AM   #1
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Default Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

I mean come to think about it, it is a little bit embarrassing. When superstars form a team, they are expected to win even if the odds are against them. And when they don't win, it just doesn't look good. The Lakers are a perfect example. Now they may make the playoffs and end up with a winning record, but they have absolutely zero chance of winning the finals. Zip Zada Zilch. And that is even if everyone is fully healthy.

Even when miami won it, Im sure that Lebron will never know what it's like to win a championship the right way. You do that by either letting your owners make trades or you let players in the system become farm grown and let them develop.

Same as Boston. They are a little different but when they won it it was only because all 3 purposely joined together.

But I think after a while, people have to realized that while having a super team might work, it might not work either. It's not something that's even close to guaranteed. And even when it does work, it doesn't have a genuinely real feeling. It's just a bought ring.

The best way to do it is to play as a whole team superstars or not. And let's be honest a lot of superstars are just hyped up good players. You need a lot of pieces to win. Taking a short cut might win you one or two, but you never will know what it's like to really win it.
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:51 AM   #2
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

Hell no! Super teams is a formula proven to win championships. If anything, more stars will form super teams.
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Old 12-29-2012, 07:57 AM   #3
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

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Hell no! Super teams is a formula proven to win championships. If anything, more stars will form super teams.


Except when you win, you're not proud of anything in your heart
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Old 12-29-2012, 08:02 AM   #4
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

Super teams saved the NBA.

What the Heat did was embarrassing, but only for them.

Superteams have always won in the NBA. How you do it, doesn't really matter to me. Just because some organizations are capable of doing it from in house doesn't mean, that it's wrong when players take it within their own hands to form a superteam. Should Lebron have waited for the Cavaliers front office to make all the moves that eventually decide his legacy? No. Should Carmelo have waited for the Nuggets to realize what they're doing is preserving mediocrity and have no chance at a title with the path they were going? No.

It takes a super team most years to win a title. Granted, the Heat took it to a new level when they acquired 3 superstars in their prime to build on. But the Showtime Lakers were one of the all time great superteams, the Celtics with Bird were right along with them. The Bulls in the 90s were a superteam, the Shaq/Kobe Lakers were a superteam.

These teams are very marketable for the league, and make the league more competitive. This crop of teams in the NBA that have occurred because of forced trades and whatever, makes this a potential Golden Era in the NBA.

And when I say what the Heat did was embarassing. It's only embarrassing because Lebron followed perhaps his biggest rival in the NBA (in terms of matchups you like to watch out East) who had already won a title and finals MVP to try to get him one too. Wade and Bosh plus the extra cap space could've formed a championship caliber team. There were many options out there for Lebron to do the same in NY, with Dwight Howard, with Derrick Rose, with the Clippers, in Dallas....wherever.

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Old 12-29-2012, 08:16 AM   #5
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

This again?

You said it yourself, forming a superteam is not a guaranteed success it may or may not work. So how exactly does forming a 'super team' makes it easier then?

With superstars comes big contract, meaning a horrible bench. Lakers is the prime example.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:17 AM   #6
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

I think versions of superteams will always be there. I'm personally just hopeful the fad of star players deciding to so quickly abandon ship on their own team's process toward winning a ring in favor of trying to super stack a team in order to theoretically win as easily as possible passes soon enough.

I have a tough time articulating my feelings in this regard, but there's been something different about some of the superstar free agent happenings of the past two or three years in comparison to how things worked before then. I can't tell if it's more entitlement, a loss of competitive drive, or just players flat out feeling like winning by any means (even mega stacking the odds in your own favor) is the key to the hearts of America. Or maybe it's none of that.

I'm just a little weary of the "superstar says trade me to here, here, or here, elsewise I'm leaving for nothing at the end of the season to join the team that already has five superstars" stories. It really bums me out because as a fan of basketball, winning really isn't what it's all about to me. I'm more interested in the game and how it's played. I really like winning but as Larry Brown might say, I like it most when it's done the right way. And watching players who participate on one of the 29 teams that don't win every year then decide to bolt and all try to join that one team that wins is not fun to me.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:25 AM   #7
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

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I think versions of superteams will always be there. I'm personally just hopeful the fad of star players deciding to so quickly abandon ship on their own team's process toward winning a ring in favor of trying to super stack a team in order to theoretically win as easily as possible passes soon enough.

I have a tough time articulating my feelings in this regard, but there's been something different about some of the superstar free agent happenings of the past two or three years in comparison to how things worked before then. I can't tell if it's more entitlement, a loss of competitive drive, or just players flat out feeling like winning by any means (even mega stacking the odds in your own favor) is the key to the hearts of America. Or maybe it's none of that.

I'm just a little weary of the "superstar says trade me to here, here, or here, elsewise I'm leaving for nothing at the end of the season to join the team that already has five superstars" stories. It really bums me out because as a fan of basketball, winning really isn't what it's all about to me. I'm more interested in the game and how it's played. I really like winning but as Larry Brown might say, I like it most when it's done the right way. And watching players who participate on one of the 29 teams that don't win every year then decide to bolt and all try to join that one team that wins is not fun to me.
Well if they was praised for playing the game well instead of telling players they don't matter in the long run if they don't measure up to Jordan, then it wouldn't be an issue.

Can't have it both ways. Some organizations have not shown the ability to build teams, but history won't remember that, it will remember rings.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:32 AM   #8
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

I have no problem with old players past their prime, like Kidd, Nash, Payton ext joining a contending team to ring chase.

However, I do think it looks bad when younger players take that route
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:35 AM   #9
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Super teams? Its about being in the right market and thats something players will always seek to be. In any sports, soccer, basketball etc etc everyone looks to be in the big cities and everyone aims to play with the best.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:37 AM   #10
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

This will not stop unless they have Kobe's mentality..
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:41 AM   #11
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Except when you win, you're not proud of anything in your heart
You really believe that? You think Lebron isn't proud of his chip because he's on a super team?
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:42 AM   #12
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

what super team has been formed since Miami? Okc was drafted and Harden left to make more mulah. Lakers? they ain't join imo. Dwight ain't even wanna go there and he leaving after this season unless he get more shots. Clippers ain't even join together. you think The Knicks a super team? lmao.

It's one super team that joined together and that's Miami. I don't even have a problem doing what they did now
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:47 AM   #13
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

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Even when miami won it, Im sure that Lebron will never know what it's like to win a championship the right way. You do that by either letting your owners make trades or you let players in the system become farm grown and let them develop.

Same as Boston. They are a little different but when they won it it was only because all 3 purposely joined together.

Congrats on contradicting yourself, Allen and Garnett were traded to the Celtics
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:06 AM   #14
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

Winning a championship or two is required on your resume to be considered a great ball player. Until such a time as this is no longer the case, players are going to do everything in their power to increase their chances of achieving this, including forming super teams.

Can't say I fault them. These guys are protective as hell of their legacy and super competitive with each other.
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:12 AM   #15
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Default Re: Do you think superstars will stop trying to form super teams?

A team of allstars/ superstars being able to come together and playing well as a unit, is not an easy task. sure you can argue that winning seems less individually significant, but basketball is a team sport. Why watch one guy per team come out every game taking 20 over shots.

I think it's a pretty sight that superstars are able to play together at a high level, each taking over on particular games. The Celtics, Heat and recently the Lakers. To me it's entertaining to see these big names players put their skill sets together and sharing the glory
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