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Old 03-17-2013, 11:59 PM   #151
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That's messed up. No one deserves to get raped. She certainly didn't do herself any favors though by getting wasted.
Or having a vagina.
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:08 AM   #152
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That's messed up. No one deserves to get raped. She certainly didn't do herself any favors though by getting wasted.

The problem I have with this statement is that almost everybody gets wasted at some point in their life. I'd hate to go partying, get drunk and pass out, just to find out later that some guy raped me and then have my horrible experience somewhat invalidated by somebody saying "Well, you didn't do yourself any favors by getting drunk." Everybody deserves to party some and not have to fear getting raped.
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:09 AM   #153
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Or having a vagina.

Exactly. How many males ever think they are going to get raped if they drink too much?
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:17 AM   #154
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The problem I have with this statement is that almost everybody gets wasted at some point in their life. I'd hate to go partying, get drunk and pass out, just to find out later that some guy raped me and then have my horrible experience somewhat invalidated by somebody saying "Well, you didn't do yourself any favors by getting drunk." Everybody deserves to party some and not have to fear getting raped.

I'm not invalidating what happened to her by any means. I'm not vindicating the dudes who took advantage of her. I understand that as a guy I, for the most part, don't have to walk around with the fear of being raped/taken advantage of sexually against my will. And whatever those guys did they're wrong for on all accounts.

I'm just saying when you do certain things, you should go into them knowing the potential consequences whether it's (underage) drinking to the point of inebriation or smoking until your lungs off. Unfortunately it took a situation like this for her to (hopefully) learn this unfortunate truth instead of it already being instilled in her by her parents.
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:33 AM   #155
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Note: While bloggers started these outlandish rumors and Anonymous perpetuated them, the media was also complicit in spreading untruths and giving a national and international platform to the lies being told.

It is easy to blame all of this on the bloggers and Anonymous, but I lost a lot of faith in the integrity of the media along the way. I will never react to a big news story the same way again. I'm sure there were times I was guilty of jumping on a bandwagon just because I expected the mainstream media not to miss the mark this badly.

It was a real wake-up call.

Was this case sensationalized until the Anonymous or whoever it was started talking about this in December? Again, I didn't live though this case, but the few articles I looked at had the Anonymous allegations as part of the story, that is those allegations were driving the story, so covering the story meant covering the allegations. Now there's a responsible and irresponsible way to do that, but you're right, even wide circulation of responsibly reported allegations are going to leave a mark.
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:37 AM   #156
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I'm not invalidating what happened to her by any means. I'm not vindicating the dudes who took advantage of her. I understand that as a guy I, for the most part, don't have to walk around with the fear of being raped/taken advantage of sexually against my will. And whatever those guys did they're wrong for on all accounts.

I'm just saying when you do certain things, you should go into them knowing the potential consequences whether it's (underage) drinking to the point of inebriation or smoking until your lungs off. Unfortunately it took a situation like this for her to (hopefully) learn this unfortunate truth instead of it already being instilled in her by her parents.

And you've always done everything your parents told you? Even though you tried to soften the statement, you're blaming the victim here.
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:39 AM   #157
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Interesting

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Shortly after the courtroom cleared, Attorney General Mike DeWine announced that a grand jury would be convened on April 15 to investigate whether charges would be filed against others.

It will use information gathered by more than 15 state investigative agents who have already interviewed 56 people including, the school district's principal, superintendent and 27 football coaches. Sixteen people refused to cooperate.

The grand jury will have the latitude to question witnesses and send out subpoenas for information.

DeWine said the community "desperately needs to put this behind them" but they also needed assurance that "no stone has been left unturned."

DeWine said possible charges included, but weren't limited to, failure to report a crime and tampering with evidence. He would not specifically comment on a question about Head Coach Reno Saccoccia, who was discussed in text messages during the trial as knowing about the rape.

However, he did say that teacher and coaches have a mandatory obligation to report any type of child abuse.
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:00 AM   #158
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I'm not invalidating what happened to her by any means. I'm not vindicating the dudes who took advantage of her. I understand that as a guy I, for the most part, don't have to walk around with the fear of being raped/taken advantage of sexually against my will. And whatever those guys did they're wrong for on all accounts.

I'm just saying when you do certain things, you should go into them knowing the potential consequences whether it's (underage) drinking to the point of inebriation or smoking until your lungs off. Unfortunately it took a situation like this for her to (hopefully) learn this unfortunate truth instead of it already being instilled in her by her parents.

I agree that girls need to be smarter about the situations that they put themselves in, but bolded also applies to the boys in the situation. They should be smarter than to do this type of stupid sh!t that will affect screw their future. I'm pretty sure their parents didn't tell them it was cool **** around with a passed out chick.
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:02 AM   #159
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Was this case sensationalized until the Anonymous or whoever it was started talking about this in December? Again, I didn't live though this case, but the few articles I looked at had the Anonymous allegations as part of the story, that is those allegations were driving the story, so covering the story meant covering the allegations. Now there's a responsible and irresponsible way to do that, but you're right, even wide circulation of responsibly reported allegations are going to leave a mark.
The NY Times linked to LocalLeaks directly, along with providing excerpts from the piece. CNN did a live interview with KyAnonymous, where he was unchallenged in repeating pretty much everything in the LocalLeaks article. There wasn't even an attempt to interject. The Cleveland Plain Dealer, a pretty highly respected regional newspaper, was basically the mouthpiece for Alexandria Goddard, the blogger who is at the root of all the lies.

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The AG is just covering his butt. This is a PR move and, from what I've heard, it will mainly deal with calling in other kids at the first party (where a rape did not happen) and those that may have seen tweets.

Regardless, he has already said there was no conspiracy, cover-up. I do dislike the fact that he's going to be keeping this story going for another month, but this seems like a publicity move more than anything else.

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Old 03-18-2013, 01:50 AM   #160
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I can only imagine how embarrassed and disappointed the parents must be. If my child ever perpetrated such acts, I would feel like I failed as a parent.
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Old 03-18-2013, 01:52 AM   #161
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I'm not invalidating what happened to her by any means. I'm not vindicating the dudes who took advantage of her. I understand that as a guy I, for the most part, don't have to walk around with the fear of being raped/taken advantage of sexually against my will. And whatever those guys did they're wrong for on all accounts.

I'm just saying when you do certain things, you should go into them knowing the potential consequences whether it's (underage) drinking to the point of inebriation or smoking until your lungs off. Unfortunately it took a situation like this for her to (hopefully) learn this unfortunate truth instead of it already being instilled in her by her parents.

As already stated above by Kevin, this is a form of victim blaming. By this thinking, you are essentially saying that women should not drink because they can potentially be raped, and if they do drink they should know there are potential "rape consequences." Might as well say that women shouldn't go jogging on a park trail because there have been multiple incidents of sexual assault at public parks, therefore women who went jogging should know that jogging has the "potential consequences" of sexual assault.
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Old 03-18-2013, 02:07 AM   #162
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Steubenville is as corrupted as they say it is. The people in the local are just flat out scums. I've played a few football games at Steubenville when I was in high school. All their 50 year olds would curse, spit, and poor beer at their opponents. Football is all they have in that neighborhood and it's why these guys get treated like gods.
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Old 03-18-2013, 05:24 AM   #163
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/highsch...164129528.html

Great article about how ****ed up the kids are. Never have teens been more morally corrupt than now in regards to knowing right from wrong, sometimes in the simplest and most obvious form.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:20 AM   #164
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lol **** them, only two years?

How can i give money to these anonymous fellows? They are awesome. Geeks ****ing jocks haha
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:21 AM   #165
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A Breitbart link? Seriously?

Get that shit out of here.
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