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Old 01-04-2013, 02:36 PM   #31
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:41 PM   #32
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Namely the sheriff and prosecuting attorney (Fred Abdalla and Jane Hanlin). The video with Abdalla where he gave several misinformed statements about the law and a couple instances with Hanlin are super sketchy.

Hanlin did absolutely the correct thing. Her son attends the school and several of his friends were at this party where the alleged crimes took place. Therefore, she recused herself from situation and called in the state to take over. That was exactly the protocol which should have been followed.

I don't know exactly the statements you are referring to with Abdalla, so I can't respond directly to what you are accusing him of. However, I would never insinuate that Sheriff Fred is the sharpest tool in the shed, but it is a pretty massive leap to go from there to "he is involved in a massive, city-wide cover-up."

Especially since the kids were arrested immediately when the girl went to the cops. The big issue came because the girl waited three days between the alleged incident and her going to the police. Obviously, there is always going to be the chance of evidence lost when there is a 72-hour period between the incident and the reporting of it.

I have yet to see a single, coherent description of exactly what was covered up. The people prosecuting the case are not from the area and they haven't even insinuated that such a cover-up is even suspected. This is all through shady online bloggers with zero evidence.
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Luckily, those kids are dumb enough to spill clues all over the place, just like what they allegedly did.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:45 PM   #34
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I agree with you about the coach. All the article does is bash him without providing a lick of evidence against him. Very sloppy journalism and extremely unfair to him and his coaching staff.
Not only him, but Jim Parks -- whom I also know -- is the guy who runs the Big Red fansite which was hacked by Anonymous. They accused him (as does that ridiculous "localleaks" article) of having child porn in his email and being somehow involved in the incident. They have accused him of paying the team to go places and rape girls just so he can be sent the pictures.

They've basically tried to ruin his life and there is zero evidence. They even released his email account to the public. There were no underage pictures and no proof of anything.

His only crime was that he owned a Big Red fan site, apparently. And, no one seems to care that this is going on to people who are completely uninvolved.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:49 PM   #35
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Not only him, but Jim Parks -- whom I also know -- is the guy who runs the Big Red fansite which was hacked by Anonymous. They accused him (as does that ridiculous "localleaks" article) of having child porn in his email and being somehow involved in the incident. They have accused him of paying the team to go places and rape girls just so he can be sent the pictures.

They've basically tried to ruin his life and there is zero evidence. They even released his email account to the public. There were no underage pictures and no proof of anything.

His only crime was that he owned a Big Red fan site, apparently. And, no one seems to care that this is going on to people who are completely uninvolved.
They HAVE evidence. They hacked into his email account and saw the pictures that those kids were sending him.

You're the one with his head in the sand on that one.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:52 PM   #36
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Hanlin did absolutely the correct thing. Her son attends the school and several of his friends were at this party where the alleged crimes took place. Therefore, she recused herself from situation and called in the state to take over. That was exactly the protocol which should have been followed.

I don't know exactly the statements you are referring to with Abdalla, so I can't respond directly to what you are accusing him of. However, I would never insinuate that Sheriff Fred is the sharpest tool in the shed, but it is a pretty massive leap to go from there to "he is involved in a massive, city-wide cover-up."

Especially since the kids were arrested immediately when the girl went to the cops. The big issue came because the girl waited three days between the alleged incident and her going to the police. Obviously, there is always going to be the chance of evidence lost when there is a 72-hour period between the incident and the reporting of it.

I have yet to see a single, coherent description of exactly what was covered up. The people prosecuting the case are not from the area and they haven't even insinuated that such a cover-up is even suspected. This is all through shady online bloggers with zero evidence.
Accusing is a harsh word. I don't know for certain, but based on the stuff I have read/seen, it seems like Sheriff Abdella isn't being completely truthful. In this video, he makes a couple of iffy statements (saying that being at a crime and not reporting it isn't a crime itself, says the case isn't in his jurisdiction when it actually can be).

Looking back on the stuff with Hanlin, I actually tend to agree with you. I didn't take the time to really read into what the people were reporting and I took their words for fact. they really don't have any evidence on anything. So *sheepishly*, I take back what I said. At least at this point, it isn't fair to judge anything until more refutable evidence comes out.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:54 PM   #37
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They HAVE evidence. They hacked into his email account and saw the pictures that those kids were sending him.

You're the one with his head in the sand on that one.
Completely false. The email account has already been published. The kids sent him no pictures. He received pictures from a girl who was clearly over the age of consent.... And she sent him the pictures, not some high school kid.

There is no question, at this point, that he was wrongfully implicated. In fact, the girl whose picture they pointed to as the "victim" from Louisville, Ohio, I actually know. She graduated from Big Red in the late-90s.

It is fascinating to me that people are just going to blindly believe this stuff. They said it... Must be true.
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Completely false. The email account has already been published. The kids sent him no pictures. He received pictures from a girl who was clearly over the age of consent.... And she sent him the pictures, not some high school kid.

There is no question, at this point, that he was wrongfully implicated. In fact, the girl whose picture they pointed to as the "victim" from Louisville, Ohio, I actually know. She graduated from Big Red in the late-90s.

It is fascinating to me that people are just going to blindly believe this stuff. They said it... Must be true.
You're the last person we can trust on this, really. The football culture invades everyone in small towns like that and leads them to defend stupid things and cover up worse ones.

See: Penn State.

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And it shouldn't be. Unless you hate 99.9% of people with absolutely no involvement in any crime. Don't believe everything you read.

Where are the people in the town defending the victim?

People have stepped up to defend the football players, but nobody has stepped up in that town to the media to say that there are more important things than football. That is the part that makes me upset at the townsfolk.
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Where are the people in the town defending the victim?

People have stepped up to defend the football players, but nobody has stepped up in that town to say that there are more important things than football. That is the part that makes me upset at the townsfolk.
Bingo.
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Where are the people in the town defending the victim?

People have stepped up to defend the football players, but nobody has stepped up in that town to say that there are more important things than football. That is the part that makes me upset at the townsfolk.

Basically this.

All Red and Attack did was defend the football program and city but has yet to feel remorse for the victim in this thread.

This is Penn State all over again and we need to get the Feds on this.
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^^^What evidence have you seen that a "whole town" is covering up an "awful secret," because I haven't seen any. This is exactly what I'm talking about.



Not a single piece of truth in any of those accusations. I know Fred Abdalla and it is literally comical that he's being portrayed as some master criminal. I would laugh if there weren't real people whom I know with their entire life's reputation on the line. Unfortunately, there is nothing funny about that.




Who are these "awe-inspiring" HS football players? The drunken buffoon in the video never played football in his life. The two guys arrested were sophomores and had never taken a single snap for Big Red and never will.

The amount of misinformation being served to the public is simply incredible.


I'm basing everything on that locallinks blogpost up in the original post. I hadn't heard anything about that to this point. I don't have audio at work, so I'm only posting on what I read.

And we sort of agree. I frankly can't believe the story being told in that blog. Like I said, it would seem like an almost comically large movie type coverup, like in Hostel. The only solid info in that story is the stuff that seems concrete, like the tweets, photos, and videos.

The accusations in that article about the sheriff are crazy. They allege that his brother is a massive drug importer to the region, and that he's a major bookmaker, but never provide any evidence. That's why I said I would like to see more connections with some of these people. The author is telling a story with this data thrown in and no evidence.

From the video shown, and the tweets, it's clear something bad happened that night. And simply from the video of the Ohio State kid, I have no problem with him being expelled from school based solely on that.
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Well, at least Anonymous did the job making the case even more heard among the public. Still.....
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Let's hope the Sheriff is fired for not doing his job correctly.

Can't really do anything to the Coach Reno unless he knew about it and did nothing. Like Paterno.

Sad when some members of the team are the Rape Crew.
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You're the last person we can trust on this, really. The football culture invades everyone in small towns like that and leads them to defend stupid things and cover up worse ones.

See: Penn State.

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So, you are just going to believe it? That's it. He's involved in a meticulous teenage raping ring and the evidence is a picture of a girl who looks very little like a girl in a town nowhere close to Steubenville who was apparently raped?

This is exactly the mindset I'm talking about. Go download his emails and I defy you to find anything remotely relating to any kind of rape ring in any of them. Or, you could just believe it because some anonymous person on the Internet said so.

It is absurd.

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Where are the people in the town defending the victim?

People have stepped up to defend the football players, but nobody has stepped up in that town to the media to say that there are more important things than football. That is the part that makes me upset at the townsfolk.

The outrage immediately following the alleged incident (which happened six months ago) was palpable in the city. Much of the community -- myself included -- had nothing but condemnation about what was alleged and expressed a massive amount of sympathy for the girl.

My feelings haven't changed about the girl and the kids involved. What has changed is the narrative being exploited by the media. It is hard not to get defensive when people are essentially accusing you of being an accomplice to a rape.

This case is no longer strictly about the incident. It has become a hit-piece on an entire city, the majority of which had nothing to do with anything involving any of this stuff.
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