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Old 01-04-2013, 06:41 PM   #76
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Yeah, that coach sure sounds like a model citizen!
I'm not sure what the definition of a model citizen is, but I would certainly say that he is a great person having known the man for all of my 33 years.

I don't know exactly what happened with the New York Times reporter, but I've heard that he was being absolutely hounded for days by these people and repeatedly gave a no comment. He was walking to his car and two reporters approached him and an argument ensued, with several people -- including the reporters -- involved.

Regardless, he isn't being baselessly accused of saying a mean thing to a reporter. I will ask again -- How is an argument with a reporter proof of involvement in a rape case?

At least you've gone beyond the localleaks nonsense, though, and have started to read articles with standards, bylines, etc. I just don't think a person's entire life and 40 years of service to a community should be wiped away because of a quote in a newspaper. Then again, I actually know the man.

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Looks like RedBlackAttack was incorrect after all. It's true that two of them were suspended from playing, but not until 8 games into the season (out of 10 games). Whoopty doo!

When did I say more than two (or any) were suspended from playing football? I said, when it came to light that these guys had admitted to being at the party (they had previously denied it), they were suspended from school (and obviously extracurricular activities).


The Facebook messages, Tweets, etc. listed above are disgusting and I have absolutely no intent on defending them. As far as I'm concerned, all the people involved, be it present or on the Internet, should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law or otherwise.

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Old 01-04-2013, 06:42 PM   #77
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The Facebook messages, Tweets, etc. listed above are disgusting and I have absolutely no intent on defending them. As far as I'm concerned, all the people involved, be it present or on the Internet, should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law or otherwise.
That's all we wanted to hear.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:42 PM   #78
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***** ass fvcking kids.. Should go right to the pen. See how big they feel there.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:45 PM   #79
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don't worry guys, when they get in jail i paid a couple of inmates to do my bidding.

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Old 01-04-2013, 07:03 PM   #80
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That's all we wanted to hear.
When did I say or even insinuate otherwise? My gripe comes from the unfounded claims by hackers and nameless bloggers that other people were involved when there was never a shred of proof behind it and an entire city of people being colored with the same brush unjustly.

I've always been very clear that I have no sympathy for those involved, either directly or indirectly.
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:29 AM   #81
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That roster is from the beginning of the season. No alleged rapists played a down for the team. In fact, only two teenagers are being accused of partaking in the rape. Those are Trent Mays and Malik Richmond, who have been in custody since mid-August.

Others are being implicated for either being at the party and not stopping it or tweeting about it on the Internet.

Well according to google, this is Trent Mays and Malik Richmond:

http://rantsthoughtsmerde.files.word...pg?w=620&h=407


I didn't know they let people who don't make the team or quit take pictures, which are taken towards the end of the season How are they not on the team and included on the roster but they're not team members?

Honestly to me it looks like you're defending pedos and the enablers of racists. I mean shyt, how many pedo friends have you already admitted to having and defended in this thread? Like 3 confirmed child porn collectors. Is the ISH community really gona allow this pedo to try to convince people not to be outraged. Fvck that noise. RBA resident pedo over here trying to get his buddies off the hook; probably chills with the rape crew daily
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Old 01-05-2013, 03:42 AM   #82
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Well according to google, this is Trent Mays and Malik Richmond:

http://rantsthoughtsmerde.files.word...pg?w=620&h=407


I didn't know they let people who don't make the team or quit take pictures, which are taken towards the end of the season How are they not on the team and included on the roster but they're not team members?

Honestly to me it looks like you're defending pedos and the enablers of racists. I mean shyt, how many pedo friends have you already admitted to having and defended in this thread? Like 3 confirmed child porn collectors. Is the ISH community really gona allow this pedo to try to convince people not to be outraged. Fvck that noise. RBA resident pedo over here trying to get his buddies off the hook; probably chills with the rape crew daily
You are an idiot.

I will repeat it and you can either accept the facts or continue living in a dream world based on things you found on Google... Mays and Richmond never played a single down of football ever for the high school football team. In fact, they were in police custody all season long. They were arrested in mid-August. The season started in late-August.

And, if you want to blindly accept the word of some nameless, faceless blogger on the Internet, that is your perogative, but I would encourage you to download the guy's email whom you are labeling a "pedo" and find proof to back it up. His email account is available through kyAnonymous and can be easily found.

There is a good reason why there has been no police action or prosecution of any of that stuff... Because there is absolutely no evidence to support it. But, by all means... Continue being a sheep and believing something just because you read it in a blog. Are we really to that point in our society? Proof or facts are no longer mandatory to destroy someone's reputation in the court of public opinion?

Sad.
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:19 AM   #83
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Wow. What a thread. Haven't been following this story at all.

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Wait is this even real rape? From what I read in the OP it seemed like they fingered her and that's about it.
Holy ****ing Cow! Real rape! You should be ashamed of yourself.

Guess what? Adminstering a date rape drug to a woman and fingering her is legally real rape in Ohio.
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:36 AM   #84
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You are an idiot.

I will repeat it and you can either accept the facts or continue living in a dream world based on things you found on Google... Mays and Richmond never played a single down of football ever for the high school football team. In fact, they were in police custody all season long. They were arrested in mid-August. The season started in late-August.

And, if you want to blindly accept the word of some nameless, faceless blogger on the Internet, that is your perogative, but I would encourage you to download the guy's email whom you are labeling a "pedo" and find proof to back it up. His email account is available through kyAnonymous and can be easily found.

There is a good reason why there has been no police action or prosecution of any of that stuff... Because there is absolutely no evidence to support it. But, by all means... Continue being a sheep and believing something just because you read it in a blog. Are we really to that point in our society? Proof or facts are no longer mandatory to destroy someone's reputation in the court of public opinion?

Sad.

Did you even click the link I posted? Its a picture of those two kids wearing the towns football uniforms; you know, the individual players pictures that are usually taken midseason? Why is it that all links being presented seem to go against everything you're saying?

I'm calling pedo on this one. You make me sick you fvcking pedo and your pedo town; trying to change the subject and make these kids and the town out to be the victims. Fvck that pedo ass town

When you say "they didnt ever play" you probably mean not that season. However, if they had played the 3 years prior, it's kind of safe to call them football players for the town
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:41 AM   #85
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Adminstering a date rape drug to a woman and fingering her is legally real rape in Ohio.
Prosecution is not alleging a date rape drug was used. I've not seen that even noted as a possibility by any credible source.

Completely agree that fingers constitute rape, though. That isn't even up for debate.
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Old 01-05-2013, 04:46 AM   #86
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Did you even click the link I posted? Its a picture of those two kids wearing the towns football uniforms; you know, the individual players pictures that are usually taken midseason? Why is it that all links being presented seem to go against everything you're saying?
...because I'm well aware of the facts of the case since this is nothing new to me (unlike you). This has been a very widely covered case for six months in the Northeastern Ohio region. It was huge news when the players were arrested in mid-August, you idiot.

If you did proper research, you wouldn't look like a fool.

http://www.news-register.net/page/co...o-Arre---.html

Note the date on that article... Aug. 22. The high school football season in Ohio begins the last week of August. I guess they were breaking out of jail each Friday night to suit up?


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I'm calling pedo on this one. You make me sick you fvcking pedo and your pedo town; trying to change the subject and make these kids and the town out to be the victims. Fvck that pedo ass town

When you say "they didnt ever play" you probably mean not that season. However, if they had played the 3 years prior, it's kind of safe to call them football players for the town
Once again, you are a moron who is just talking out of his @ss.

Both kids were sophomores. They never played a down for the varsity football team. They played on the freshman team the year prior to the rape allegations. Then again, what does that have to do with anything?

You dolt.
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You are an idiot.

I will repeat it and you can either accept the facts or continue living in a dream world based on things you found on Google... Mays and Richmond never played a single down of football ever for the high school football team. In fact, they were in police custody all season long. They were arrested in mid-August. The season started in late-August.

A couple of things. I think RBA is correct that we need to look at the facts of this case beyond rumors on the internet. (For example, it's unclear if the girl was administered a date rape drug or was just very drunk.)

However, the man you cited as a role model, seemed to threaten a news reporter. Has he taken responsibility and issued an apology? He also doesn't seem to have been very rigorous in terms of getting to the bottom of what happened. If a couple of players who were no-innocent bystanders weren't discovered until halfway trough the season and especially if the coach claimed not to look at evidence on the internet, how throroughly did he try to get to the bottom of this. He blew up at the Times reporter when they were pressing just this issue.
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Approached in November to be interviewed about the case, Saccoccia said he did not “do the Internet,” so he had not seen the comments and photographs posted online from that night. When asked again about the players involved and why he chose not to discipline them, he became agitated.

“You made me mad now,” he said, throwing in several expletives as he walked from the high school to his car.

Nearly nose to nose with a reporter, he growled: “You’re going to get yours. And if you don’t get yours, somebody close to you will.”

Also it's just silly to pretend that these two were not associated with the football team because they were arrested before the season began. That's defense lawyer spin. They were expected to be stars on the football team (and I assume played some form of football freshman year.) It hurts your credibility to pretend otherwise. From the Times article.
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Just before 10 a.m. on Aug. 11, fans who are part of what is called the Big Red Nation poured into Harding Stadium clad in the team’s colors, red and black, to see Big Red’s second scrimmage of the season and to get a sense of how the team would fare this year.

What they saw were two players who stood out from the rest: Mays and Richmond.

Mays, who hails from a nearby town and who went to Steubenville High because of its successful football and wrestling programs, showed off his strong arm at quarterback. Richmond, who the police say came from a troubled home and has lived in Steubenville with guardians since he was 8, dominated as a quick and tall wide receiver. He also was a star of the Big Red basketball and track teams.

The two athletes gave hope to fans that Big Red might be headed back to the top.

Of Mays, one person at the time wrote on JJHuddle.com, a Web site for Ohio high school sports, “If he has the composure, could be very enjoyable to watch that young man grow up with Ma’lik.” Mays and Richmond helped Big Red prevail that day in the scrimmage
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A couple of things. I think RBA is correct that we need to look at the facts of this case beyond rumors on the internet. (For example, it's unclear if the girl was administered a date rape drug or was just very drunk.)
If we are going to judge this case based on the facts, the date rape drug thing is already dead. It isn't something being alleged by prosecution. It will be very interesting when the trial begins, because then we will have actual facts to cite instead of random rumors from the 'net. No one truly knows what happened that night, myself included, except those who were there.

I've said from the very start of this case that, if these allegations are proven, I am in complete support of punishment to the fullest extent of the law all of those involved.


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However, the man you cited as a role model, seemed to threaten a news reporter. Has he taken responsibility and issued an apology? He also doesn't seem to have been very rigorous in terms of getting to the bottom of what happened. If a couple of players who were no-innocent bystanders weren't discovered until halfway trough the season and especially if the coach claimed not to look at evidence on the internet, how throroughly did he try to get to the bottom of this. He blew up at the Times reporter when they were pressing just this issue.
I addressed this a few pages back...

I'm not sure exactly what happened with the reporter, but what I've heard (and it sounds plausible) is that he had been hounded for days and repeatedly told them no comment. Finally, he was walking to his car and he was approached by these two NYT reporters. An argument ensued and words were had between all parties.

I'm not defending the statements, but I'm also not going to throw out my 33 years of knowing the man and his entire life's work out the window based on an argument with a newspaper reporter. Again, this isn't a random person in a random news piece that I just happened to stumble upon and it is all I have to base opinions on. I've known this guy all my life.

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Also it's just silly to pretend that these two were not associated with the football team because they were arrested before the season began. That's defense lawyer spin. They were expected to be stars on the football team (and I assume played some form of football freshman year.) It hurts your credibility to pretend otherwise. From the Times article.

First, I don't remember ever saying these guys were not associated with the football team. Did I say that? If so, please cite it. If that's what I said, it was inaccurate. I was correcting completely inaccurate statements being made by that guy in above postings.

Second, both defendants, from what I've heard, were very good athletes and expected to have a bright future on the football field. I also don't remember stating otherwise. I never saw either of them play, but I do know that to be the case.

I can't stress enough the level to which this has absolutely nothing to do with football for me, though. I honestly could not care less how any of this impacts a high school football. This goes way beyond games being played by teenagers.

Bringing any criminal acts to justice is absolutely foremost on my list of concerns. But, this case has gone far beyond any normal circumstances for a crime and potential punishment. A lot of people are being implicated without proof... There are a couple of those people, particularly Saccoccia, who I will continue to defend until the time where there is any evidence to justify the accusations. Anyone who knows the man would laugh at the idea of him being the mastermind of a criminal organization.

As of this date, there has been nothing other than rumor and innuendo. The trial starts next month and I'll be happy when it begins.

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...because I'm well aware of the facts of the case since this is nothing new to me (unlike you). This has been a very widely covered case for six months in the Northeastern Ohio region. It was huge news when the players were arrested in mid-August, you idiot.

If you did proper research, you wouldn't look like a fool.

http://www.news-register.net/page/co...o-Arre---.html

Note the date on that article... Aug. 22. The high school football season in Ohio begins the last week of August. I guess they were breaking out of jail each Friday night to suit up?



Once again, you are a moron who is just talking out of his @ss.

Both kids were sophomores. They never played a down for the varsity football team. They played on the freshman team the year prior to the rape allegations. Then again, what does that have to do with anything?

You dolt.

LMAO so first they never played a down for the team, then they never played a down for the varsity team and had played the year before?

I think the fact that they had played football for the school the year before and were only not on the team this year because they were in jail constitutes them being football players, you dolt. I was initially just trolling cuz u mad but now you've really kind of exposed yourself here. These kids are clearly associated with the football team and played for it while you play directly into the stereotype the media portrays; biased small town people doing anything they can to distinguish this crime from their prized football team

News flash: The freshman football team is still part of the football team

Now you're the one twisting facts. As someone who played high school football I can tell you that if you played the year before, and were for some reason banned the next season, you are still considered "a football player". They clearly still associated with other team members as well. You typed your responses as if they had no ties to the football team at all when that is clearly not the case. Little white lies like that are the kind of thing that leads the media to believe there is a cover up
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Also, just because the prosecution isn't including some of the alleged facts in their argument does not mean they are not true; it simply means they can not prove them. Didn't the girl say that she thought she got slipped something? Since she reported it 3 days later they obviously would not be able to find the drug in her system depending of it's halflife, so they wouldn't even pursue it at all.

It's also this kind of stuff like "No it has been completely ruled out which is why it won't be included", which is just as sensational and assuming as the stuff you are condemning. I was just trolling at first but now I really see what people are saying, you're borderline delusional when it comes to reasonably assessing the facts of this case
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