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Old 03-17-2013, 04:27 PM   #121
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There is no "rape footage." No video is in existence.

There was video of the act in the car. The teenage who shot it deleted it. I don't think he ever circulated it.

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The Steubenville, Ohio high school student who hosted the party where a 16-year-old girl was allegedly raped, testified today after being given immunity for having videotaped - and then deleted - some of the alleged assault......

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...n-girl-in-car/
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:31 PM   #122
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There was video of the act in the car. The teenage who shot it deleted it. I don't think he ever circulated it.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...n-girl-in-car/
Like I said, no video currently exists. Trust me, I know every detail of this case. The video was unable to be retrieved by BCI, but the kid who took it admitted he did.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:33 PM   #123
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Also being impaired beyond the point when you are capable of giving consent starts way before you are unconscious.
Where does it start?
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:39 PM   #124
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They were found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

As discussed earlier in this thread, nonconsensual "fingering" is still rape.

Also being impaired beyond the point when you are capable of giving consent starts way before you are unconscious.
Yep. And that was the prosecution's successful argument. It wasn't even whether or not she consented. Their argument was that she was in no condition to give consent, period.

Her condition and the action of the two boys resulted in the verdict. Once the state successfully proved that she was impaired beyond a point of being able to make the decision for herself, it was over... Because the boys admitted to the sexual contact (ie "fingering"... I prefer the phrase digital penetration).

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Now that this is done, I want to see everything Anonymous got right and got wrong about this case. It appears, that they got much of it wrong. Considering the cops seem have known about the video of the idiot from Ohio State back in August, did Anonymous contribute anything?

And this should really be the lede in the days and weeks following the verdict. They got virtually everything wrong. That Local Leaks site was a sick fantasy put together by a combination of an anarchist sect of Anonymous which wants to bring down law enforcement in America (Commander X aka Chris Doyon runs Local Leaks) and locals with an axe to grind (bloggers like Alexandria Goddard).

When I say they got just about everything wrong, I mean it...

Here is a small sampling...

http://stranahaninexile.wordpress.co...ocalleaks-was/


Even the term 'rape crew' was completely contrived. One former Big Red football player made one comment in one Facebook post referring to him and his teammates as the 'rape crew' in a football context. This person graduated years prior, wasn't at any of the parties and the comment was made in 2010. The comment had nothing to do with sex, but he was using 'rape' as implying 'our team will get the better of your team.' That is the only reference to a 'rape crew' that was ever found.

This single post in a football related context was somehow applied to this situation. Notice virtually none of the media is using the phrase any more... It was made up.

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Old 03-17-2013, 04:58 PM   #125
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Guilty Verdict in Steubenville Rape Case that Saw Anonymous Terrorize a Town
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:17 PM   #126
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And that's what happens when socially dysfunctional nerds get too much power in a sensationalism-starved world where collective IQ is dropping rapidly. Feel particularly sorry for the guy accused of having child porn. All of this is starting to look to me more and more like late Middle Ages witch-hunt. "I don't like this guy, therefore he must be a pedo." How is he doing nowdays RBA?
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:25 PM   #127
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look at the fatass with he double chin who's face is to big for the mask
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:30 PM   #128
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And that's what happens when socially dysfunctional nerds get too much power in a sensationalism-starved world where collective IQ is dropping rapidly. Feel particularly sorry for the guy accused of having child porn. All of this is starting to look to me more and more like late Middle Ages witch-hunt. "I don't like this guy, therefore he must be a pedo." How is he doing nowdays RBA?
I haven't seen him or talked to him in a while. Obviously, when the lies initially began to spread on a viral level, I let him know that I was completely behind him, 100-percent, and that I knew the claims were erroneous.

However, this is something that can never be "taken back" regardless of what happens next with this story. His name will always be associated with this case and that is a damn shame, because his only crime was being the administrator of a high school football fan site.

He's a strong person, so I'm sure he will carry on with his life, but I would be surprised if this thing didn't leave permanent scars. And, yes... this was a witch hunt right from the start, which is what I was trying to explain to people months ago when it first broke nationally.

Lives of people with absolutely no connection to this thing have been significantly altered probably forever. And it's a damn shame. This should be a cautionary tale to everyone, because if it could happen to this city and these people, it could happen anywhere to anyone.

The media isn't done, btw. Many of the more shameless "journalists" are still lambasting Steubenville for... being a city where a crime took place, I guess.

There is a story, here, and an important one. It involves sexual activity and drinking amongst high school kids and even younger... The impact of social media on our kids. To me, those are the real stories here. Instead, the media chose an easy target, pretending as though this crime was something that could only happen in Steubenville and that it was somehow tied to football. Like I said months ago, this never had anything to do with football.

It was just a false narrative pushed by a lazy media machine looking to sensationalize anything and everything... And lives will never be the same as a result.

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Old 03-17-2013, 05:58 PM   #129
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Yep. And that was the prosecution's successful argument. It wasn't even whether or not she consented. Their argument was that she was in no condition to give consent, period.


That seems sketchy, and has scary implications for cases of rape from here on out. It calls into question the ability of someone o retract consent afterwards - which is a big problem.
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:03 PM   #130
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Like I said, no video currently exists. Trust me, I know every detail of this case. The video was unable to be retrieved by BCI, but the kid who took it admitted he did.

I figured YOU did know the facts. I was posting more for others.

AND I also figured you were being lawyerly with your language, similar to when you tried to distance them from the football program.
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:06 PM   #131
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Where does it start?

In this case the girl was vomiting and slurring her speech.
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:06 PM   #132
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I figured YOU did know the facts. I was posting more for others.

AND I also figured you were being lawyerly with your language, similar to when you tried to distance them from the football program.
I'd like to hear more in-depth thoughts from you on this topic. Everyone knows where I stand. I think the trial and the false narrative put out there prior to the trial speak for themselves. Now that we know the facts of the case, it is pretty easy to see how this evolved.

I would like to hear a more impartial viewpoint, though. I'm willing to discuss this, but it is pretty obviously close to my heart since I know many of the people involved. As you can imagine, this has been an emotionally trying eight months. I'm glad it's over.
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:16 PM   #133
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Ohio always struck me as a very rapey state.
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:29 PM   #134
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:46 PM   #135
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That seems sketchy, and has scary implications for cases of rape from here on out. It calls into question the ability of someone o retract consent afterwards - which is a big problem.

It's not sketchy.

It's not new.

It's a legal principle that has been around for a while. What you are talking about is retracting consent which is a different thing.

But the principle is straightforward. Let's say you pass out at a party. A man came in and undressed you and went down on you. He can't claim it was consensual because "you didn't say no." It was nonconsensual, thus a crime because you were in no condition to give your consent because you weren't conscious. There's absolutely nothing sketchy about this.

It's similar to a claim of self-defense when someone is killed. There's nothing sketchy about defending yourself if your life is in danger, but for individual cases the prosecutor has to decide if that standard has been met. If the prosecutor thinks it was self-defense they won't bring a case, but if the standard hasn't been met they can prosecute for manslaughter and during the trial the jury will decide whether the standard of self-defense has been met.

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