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Old 01-04-2013, 05:16 PM   #16
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Stop selling Ware short. Hes been dominant for far too long in both areas (run and pass) to not be compared.

If you don't think teams gameplan for Ware similar to how they did for LT, you're kidding yourself.



Ware is the prototype 34 OLB to which future generations will be judged upon.

Last six years, 91 sacks and 24 forced fumbles with great run defense.

Nobody can match that resume as a defender the last six years. I don't think anyone comes close actually, though I am not going to look it up.


Jared Allen is the only player that comes close right now...and he will ALSO be a 1st ballot HOFer
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:13 PM   #17
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Bill Belichick Compares DeMarcus Ware to Lawrence Taylor

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I mean, hes the best player weve faced this year, Belichick said according to the Dallas Morning News. He does all of the things you want him to do. Hes strong against the run. He can rush the passer. Hes great in pursuit. Hes got power. Hes got speed. Hes got good technique. Hes good in pass coverage. He gets a lot of depth. I mean, hes an asset to your pass coverage. If you want to drop him, Id say all those same things about Lawrence Taylor.

Lawrence had a tremendous career. Ware has had a great what is it six years or whatever its been. Hes been great in that time and looks like hes still going strong. Im sure hell be able to continue at this level for quite a while longer here as far as what it looks like right now. Hes a guy youve got to account for on every snap. Youve got to know where he is and he could definitely disrupt any play if you dont handle him.

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and in case you didn't know niko...Ware was drafted by Bill Parcells (who also drafted LT) and labeled him "the next Lawrence Taylor" when he drafted him

he was looking for his next LT in Ware

most people know that, but not sure if you did or not...
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Stop selling Ware short. Hes been dominant for far too long in both areas (run and pass) to not be compared.

If you don't think teams gameplan for Ware similar to how they did for LT, you're kidding yourself.



Ware is the prototype 34 OLB to which future generations will be judged upon.

Last six years, 91 sacks and 24 forced fumbles with great run defense.

Nobody can match that resume as a defender the last six years. I don't think anyone comes close actually, though I am not going to look it up.


They didn't game plan for LT. They season planned for him. The entire NFC changed the way they drafted to stop him. Why do you think the Redskins and later the Cowboys drafted the best offensive linemen in the game?


Ron Jaworski was talking about LT on ESPN. His job on every play was to locate LT. So he gets to the line, and he can't find him. So he calls a time out. LT was already on the sideline.
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The guys I grew up watching:

Lott
LT
White

Others who were before my time:

Page
Butkus
Olsen
Jones
The Steelers had a bunch
Night Train Lane
hard to say since you could clothesline and tackle guys by their helmets back then

Mostly saw them from highlights and watching NFL Films
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I think LT is a bit overrated.

Not in the sense of how good he was, but how he is perceived vs. everyone else. There were others who were just as dominant, possibly even more like Reggie White.

Hell, I'd rank Ray Lewis' total career over LT's.

**** no. Lewis is the overrated one. LT changed the game. Huge intimidation factor. Made gameplanners have nightmares. Gibbs developed the two TE set and the H-back position because of LT. Lewis was surrounded by all kinds of great players.

LT >> Lewis
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Old 01-08-2013, 02:58 PM   #23
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**** no. Lewis is the overrated one. LT changed the game. Huge intimidation factor. Made gameplanners have nightmares. Gibbs developed the two TE set and the H-back position because of LT. Lewis was surrounded by all kinds of great players.

LT >> Lewis
People never saw him play or saw him at the tail end when they were small. Yet they are commenting on him. LT though was more disruptive though that Lewis because of how they played, their position. Lewis is a monster in the middle of the field, but it was easier to avoid him if needed.

Saying LT > Lewis but having the conversation is not an insult but a compliment and those of you who can't see that never saw him play in his prime. He'd hit you, pick you up and tell you I WILL HIT YOU ON THE NEXT PLAY - BE READY and he'd do it again.
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1. LT
2. Reggie White

Then everyone else
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1. LT
2. Reggie White

Then everyone else
Where does DaMarcus Ware fit in? 1 or 2? He's got a lot of sacks you know.

Remember those old Eagle titles with Reggie on the line? Remember them and the Saints (who used to be the most unbalanced good defense no offense team of all time) playing and neither team moving an inch. Reggie White causing havoc and the Saints linebackers being so ****ing fast that it was impossible to run against them.
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1. Deacon Jones

1961 8,
1962 12,
1963 20,
1964 22,
1965 19,
1966 18,
1967 26,
1968 24,
1969 15,
1970 12,
1971 4,
1972 6,
1973 5,
1974 3

^^^ his unofficial sack numbers...67 & 68 combine for 50

and despite what niko says sacks are not an overrated stat for pass rushers...it's a pretty telling stat of how much pressure a player outs on QBs...I wish QB hurries and pressures were recorded better though, but sacks works good enough.


and I think Ware will retire with around 180 sacks

if he were to have 17-20 sacks the next 3 years then I think he would have a shot at the all time record.
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demarcus ware is the greatest defender of all time, although deion sanders was almost as good as ware.

when you really think about it, the top 5 defenders of all time were all cowboys.
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Ware doesn't belong in the conversation of GOAT defensive players unless we are moving into like top 25 type territority. When did the all time sack record become prestigious? It wasn't even tracked when i started watching football, they went back and did estimates for some players. To me this is like a Saints fan talking about Drew Brees for GOAT QB. It's taking someone that's a first ballot HOF type and elevating them above where they should be.

We are supposed to be talking about "the mount rushmore types", beyond HOF locks even. Joe Montana but on defense. Ware is the tier below. Which isn't an insult unless you are insane.

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D Ware is a phenom and I have most respect for him outta any Cowboy last 15 years sans maybe Witten...


However , I've seen him get snuffed outta big games often it seems.

Mayb he IS a true Cowboy
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Ware doesn't belong...yet

his name was brought up to point out that LT gets a little too much hype...like it or not, Ware gets more pressure on the QB than LT did at a bigger size even...and he will retire with SIGNIFICANTLY more sacks than LT.



Deion on the other hand is top-5 all time right now...
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