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Old 02-01-2013, 11:25 PM   #286
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Suns, Wolves, Magic, Wizards, Bobcats are just as bad or worse than Cavs roster wise, as far as veteran leadership, age, talent goes. But you don't hear half the excuses for them.

But yea, keep blaming everyone else for their losses and only praise Kyrie for their wins. Detroit PGs going off was definitely not on Irving, defense and playmaking isn't on Kyrie's resume afterall.


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Also, Speights and Ellington should not be factored in when discussing the poor record. They have only played four games for the team so far and the Cavs are 2-2 in those four.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:30 PM   #288
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Suns, Wolves, Magic, Wizards, Bobcats are just as bad or worse than Cavs roster wise, as far as veteran leadership, age, talent goes. But you don't hear half the excuses for them.

But yea, keep blaming everyone else for their losses and only praise Kyrie for their wins. Detroit PGs going off was definitely not on Irving, defense and playmaking isn't on Kyrie's resume afterall.
Quit trolling you idiot. No one is "blaming someone else." Kyrie at just 20 is also incredibly young and inexperienced. Generally, if your team's best player is 20, the team isn't going to be very good. There are exceptions to that rule, but it doesn't happen too often.

Now, GTFO.
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Old 02-01-2013, 11:30 PM   #289
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Cavs have comparable talent to all of the listed, on top of a better all-star player that none of those teams have.
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Cavs have comparable talent to all of the listed, on top of a better all-star player that none of those teams have.

Ok.
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Suns should be better.

Wolves have had Love, Rubio, Pek, Roy, Budinger, Barea and Shved all miss extended periods of time due to injury. You didnt include Andy V on your list so they shouldn't be included either.

Which of those Bobcats players are good? Kemba is solid, as is Sessions, Gordon is a journeyman shooter and MKG is still a defensive player. They have nothing else on there roster.

Again with the Wizards everyone on that list aside from Beal has been injured for extended periods so they haven't had much either and they have played well since they have been back.

The Pistons are young as well. There vets aren't that good but they are playing well.

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Quit trolling you idiot. No one is "blaming someone else." Kyrie at just 20 is also incredibly young and inexperienced. Generally, if your team's best player in 20, you aren't going to be very good. There can be exceptions to that rule, but it doesn't happen too often.

Now, GTFO.
I am talking about Brendon, that bumps this thread every time Cavs win, gives Kyrie all the credit, bashes all his teammates and proclaims Kyrie the best PG/Top 10 player and acts like a God is among us.

But when Cavs get blown out by other lottery teams and Kyrie is outplayed by worse PGs and SGs, he is awfully quiet. Besides once again blaming the teammates without ever focusing on Kyrie's defense or playmaking.
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Cavs have comparable talent to all of the listed, on top of a better all-star player that none of those teams have.
Yes, because this discussion has centered around "comparative talent" and not a ridiculously young roster. Why don't you list respective ages for those other rosters.

Hint, you won't find anything close to what the Cavs currently have in terms of a young lineup. When these young guys are ready to start competing for the playoffs, all of that cap space will be used on complimentary pieces including veterans, and you will see a quality team.

Until then, there is no reason NOT to do exactly what they are doing right now.... Develop the young talent on the roster and stay in position to add more down the road via the draft, trades, and free agency.
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I am talking about Brendon, that bumps this thread every time Cavs win, gives Kyrie all the credit, bashes all his teammates and proclaims Kyrie the best PG/Top 10 player and acts like a God is among us.

But when Cavs get blown out by other lottery teams and Kyrie is outplayed by worse PGs and SGs, he is awfully quiet. Besides once again blaming the teammates without ever focusing on Kyrie's defense or playmaking.

CP3 is the best PG in the league, I never said he wasn't I do think Kyrie is a top 10 players, and if I was starting a franchise the only players I would choose over him atm are Durant and LeBron for certain.
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Yes, because this discussion has centered around "comparative talent" and not a ridiculously young roster. Why don't you list respective ages for those other rosters.

Hint, you won't find anything close to what the Cavs currently have in terms of a young lineup. When these young guys are ready to start competing for the playoffs, all of that cap space will be used on complimentary pieces including veterans, and you will see a quality team.

Until then, there is no reason NOT to do exactly what they are doing right now.... Develop the young talent on the roster and stay in position to add more down the road via the draft, trades, and free agency.

The guy probably has never touched a basketball in his life to understand age and experience are a key role in the game of basketball.
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Yes, because this discussion has centered around "comparative talent" and not a ridiculously young roster. Why don't you list respective ages for those other rosters.

Hint, you won't find anything close to what the Cavs currently have in terms of a young lineup. When these young guys are ready to start competing for the playoffs, all of that cap space will be used on complimentary pieces including veterans, and you will see a quality team.

Until then, there is no reason NOT to do exactly what they are doing right now.... Develop the young talent on the roster and stay in position to add more down the road via the draft, trades, and free agency.
So will they be better next year? 2 years? With Varejao, more picks and experience.
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I am talking about Brendon, that bumps this thread every time Cavs win, gives Kyrie all the credit, bashes all his teammates and proclaims Kyrie the best PG/Top 10 player and acts like a God is among us.

But when Cavs get blown out by other lottery teams and Kyrie is outplayed by worse PGs and SGs, he is awfully quiet. Besides once again blaming the teammates without ever focusing on Kyrie's defense or playmaking.
I've actually expressed to him my being annoyed when he does that... and he has cooled it lately. One of the down sides to your team getting a talented young player is he will eventually draw people who are only fans of his and not the team. It happened with LBJ and it is starting to happen with Kyrie.

Hey, if you want to be a player fan, more power to you, but it makes things hard for the real fans of the team.

Kyrie is hardly a complete player at this stage. He is damn good offensively... Maybe has the most complete offensive skillset I have ever seen from a 20-year-old. But, he is not ready to lead a playoff team yet, nor should he be at that age (James wasn't either at 20).

I have no problem giving it another couple years and neither should any Cavs/Irving fans. This is how a team should be built. It has only been three years since the Cavs had the best record in the league. No patience in today's NBA fans.
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So will they be better next year? 2 years? With Varejao, more picks and experience.
Hard to say exactly when, because there are a lot of variables involved, like how quickly these guy develop, particularly Thompson, Waiters and Zeller. Thompson has come a LONG way this year. Waiters needs another offseason, I think, to start making the kinds of leaps that TT has so far.

We'll see with Zeller.

Then, you have to think about more talent which will be added this coming draft with the Cavs' own pick and the Lakers' pick (if they make the playoffs). Who knows what exactly the roster will look like next year.

But, most important of all, the massive cap space is waiting to be used. Yeah, I do think this could be a playoff team as soon as next year IF Grant and Gilbert decide to start throwing around all that money. But, I'm not sure when they will start to pull the trigger on huge roster moves. It is coming... just a matter of when.
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Thunder were basically the same age when they became a very good team with Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka all 20-21 and raw as hell.

But I don't see Kyrie, Waiters, Thompson, Zeller breaking out at 21-22 the way Westbrook, Durant and Ibaka did.
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